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Tuesday, August 11, 2015

Wealthwatch Member Morning Chat  8-11-15   Part 1 of 2

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Wealthwatch Member Morning Chat  8-11-15   Part 1 of 2

Tootsie: Good Morning ~

Tootsie: this is interesting, to me anyway ~~ 25 MPs were absent from the most prominent Chalabi and Mishan Jubouri reforms session 2015/08/11 15:45 08/11/2015 15:45 Long-Presse / BaghdadI got the (long-Presse) the names of 25 MPs were absent from the 10th session, 

which was held on Tuesday, to approve the reforms put forward by Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and the House of Representatives, in what was the most prominent absentee Chairman of the Finance Committee parliamentary leader of the National Alliance, Ahmad Chalabi, and MP Salah Mishan al-Din al-Jubouri. . And published (range Press) list of deputies and blocs to which they belong names.
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TxBrand: Haider Al-Abadi ‏@HaiderAlAbadi · 7m7 minutes ago …fb.me/3YHcweCaJ We have integrity Commission to remove the names of those accused of theft-related issues of public money and property of the State and the people to stop them. fb.me/3YHcweCaJ  http://ift.tt/1Wh6TKi

Tootsie: darn, of all people to be in absentia

Tootsie: love this ~! Former security adviser: International law allows Abadi to seize funds and real estate of officials abroad

sczin11: GOOOD MORNING EVERYBODY... CAN SOMEONE BRING THIS INTO FORUM, TOOTSIE, ?

sczin11: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1Np7Jia

Tootsie: ‹@sczin11› gm, re: the seizure ?? ~ chattels put in ~ wealthwatch.world/showthr...

http://ift.tt/1Ja0BZg

sczin11: ‹@Tootsie› NO CLUCK HERE wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1Np7Jia

Tootsie: sure

Tootsie: Information / special /..cd member of the Legal Committee of the House of Representatives Salim Chawki, Tuesday, that the dismissal of the Chief Justice Medhat al-Mahmoud Council decision is the prerogative of the judiciary, the effect of denying the grandparents to the executive or legislative impact in that. He said Shawki told / information / , "The Iraqi regime is based on the principle of separation of powers and can not be the executive or legislative interference in the work of the judiciary."

He said the "dismissal of the Chief Justice Medhat al-Mahmoud, who passed on his accession to the post more than 12 years without change is only the court's jurisdiction and authority of the prime minister Haidar al-Abbadi in his dismissal, even if it's within the Government Reform announced plan recently,"

adding that " the previous government have affected the work of the judiciary intervened in Hanh and this is contrary to the Constitution and the laws in force in the country, "stressing that" prevent the recurrence of such a breaches at the moment. "

The Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has taken a series of crucial decisions in response to protesters demanding the eradication of corruption, where the face of the abolition of the posts of Vice President and the Prime Minister immediately, and reduce the number of protections, and provisions for special grades wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1Np7Jia

sczin11: NOW, CAN ANYONE UNDERSTAND THE TRANSLATION HERE?, lol

Tootsie: ‹@sczin11› want me to run through another??

Tootsie: translator

chattels: ‹@sczin11› very tortured translation

sczin11: ‹@Tootsie› IF U DONT MIND TY

sczin11: ‹@chattels› ABSOLUTELY..

sczin11: IS MAHMOOD MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE REFORMS WE SAW..

sczin11: ARE THEY SAYING ABADI,MAS PM CAN OR CAN NOT REMOVE HIM

sczin11: WAS HE ANNOUNCED TO BE REMOVED

chattels: ‹@sczin11› not that i saw

sczin11: ‹@chattels› DIDNT THINK SO,N:)

Tootsie: have to find the original at paper to convert , faceiraq does not have choice, ~ I think it is Almaamalomah news, will try

TxBrand: http://twitter.com/Abo38aL/statu... https://twitter.com/Abo38aL/status/631094188050792448/video/1

chattels: i rather expect Mahmoud to be " retired " under some age limitation or mandatory retirement proviso

chattels: to extend the powers of Abadi under Article 78 of the Iraqi constitution to / over the Judiciary would violate the doctrine of separation of powers, IMO

TxBrand: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser · 1h1 hour ago Attendance at #Iraq parliament today was actually unusually high. Only 2 blocs with elevated # of absent MPs: State of Law (7), Sadrists (4)

 TxBrand: HaiderAlAbadi · 3h3 hours ago ‹@sczin11› I congratulate all Iraqis honored to endorse the reform package, and the solemn pledge to continue its path of reform and that cost me so my relying ... fb.me/3h0WCSLhV

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chattels: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser 5h5 hours ago Apparently there was no attempt by any faction in #Iraq's Shia alliance to save former PM Maliki's vice presidency today.

chattels: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser 1h1 hour ago Sumaria news has published the list of around 25 MPs who failed to attend today's key session in #Iraq's parliament http://ift.tt/1guhl0c... …LINK 

Tootsie: Phew =- here from bing ~~ Information/special/. Member of the legal Committee of the House of Salim Shawki, Tuesday, that the decision to sack the head of the Supreme Judicial Council, Medhat Al-Mahmoud was jurisdiction, Navia and grandparent effect of Executive or legislative effect in that said Shawqi agency/information/, that "the Iraqi regime is based on the principle of separation of powers and Executive or legislative interference in the work of the judiciary."

"The dismissal of the head of the Supreme Judicial Council, Medhat Al-Mahmoud, who passed on the tsnmh post more than 12 years without change is the only jurisdiction and no authority to Prime Minister Haidar Al-Abbadi on dismissal even if the Government's reform plan recently stated,"

adding that "the previous Government had affected the functioning of Justice and interfered in his matter and this is contrary to the Constitution and the laws in force in the country,"

stressing "prevention of recurrence of such breaches."He was Prime Minister Haidar Al-Abbadi has taken a series of crucial decisions in response to demonstrators demanding the Elimination of corruption, since the abolition of the posts of Vice-Presidents of the Republic and the Prime Minister immediately, reducing preparation protections, and special grades. Finished 25 k

Tootsie: Took a bit to find and get rid of auto translate from bing, but
Tootsie: auto translate so could bring to bing sorry

TxBrand: http://ift.tt/1Wh6SWL... Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's programme was pushed through without debate, according to parliamentary speaker Salim al-Juburi. Under the plan, Mr Abadi will cut spending and eliminate senior posts. LINK


TxBrand: doesn't say he kicked himself out ---> Mr Abadi's seven-point plan also includes a requirement for a number of government positions to be filled with political independents - a move aimed at cracking down on corruption.

TxBrand: where are we getting he eliminated himself ?
TxBrand: Attendance at #Iraq parliament today was actually unusually high

TxBrand: Mr Juburi said a complementary plan containing even more reforms was needed, and called on Mr Abadi to sack ministers who were guilty of negligence and corruption.

Tootsie: ‹@TxBrand› no, it is the Deputy Prime Minister position =- and Araji resigned at Abadi request yesterday

TxBrand: oh ok...ic

 Tootsie: ‹@TxBrand› really weird these translations, I found yesterday ~ This clarifies for me. I could not get PM position to be done with ~ twas deputy PM Urgent .. Bahaa al-Araji submit his resignation to Ebadi 2015/8/10 19:04 • The Deputy Prime Minister Bahaa al-Araji his resignation to the Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. According to the text of the resignation of al-Araji, seen by the agency {Euphrates News} on Monday, that "due to the requirements of public reconciliation and support for your project reformist,

and Mthola to the demand of Mr. Muqtada al-Sadr I make my resignation Rajya acceptance, wishing for your person and your government success with my appreciation."

 And the face of the cleric Muqtada al-Sadr Bahaa al-Araji, to resign immediately, and prevent him from traveling outside the country. .

It is noteworthy that the Supreme religious authority called on Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to make important decisions and strict procedures in the field of anti-corruption, and beaten with an iron fist anyone who is tampering with people's money, and the abolition of privileges of the current and former officials in the state. .

And the face of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi Sunday through a formal statement issued by his office Petrhik ministries and Cancel key positions deputies of the Republic and the Council of Ministers, and a comprehensive and immediate reduction in the number of protections for all state officials, Dmenhm three presidencies. Ended

Tootsie: they keep saying PM, iraqish drives me up a wall hahaha

TxBrand: lol

Tootsie: I am glad the religious leader stated that Abadi needs to use and iron hand etc.

Fit2beFit: Iraq Parliament Unanimously Passes Anti-Corruption Reforms Measures are aimed at government and include removal of top officials and launching probes

Fit2beFit: http://ift.tt/1gqRoyD...LINK

ootsie: Source: government reforms package will provide 7-10 billion dollars a year was down the drain BAGHDAD - Iraq Press - August 11 / August: said early Tuesday source, that "the government reforms will provide approximately 7-10 billion dollars a year were paid to officials without providing any services to the people remember." CONT http://ift.tt/1LBTFmS... / article goes into reforms, which are already in forum, this headline made me GRIN

Tootsie: dollars!

Tootsie: and this is just the first (1st) package of reforms, Go Go Go Abadi!

Doug_W: AMEN Toots

sczin11: Abadi moves to impose a travel ban on the accused of corruption Tuesday 11-08-2015 | 5:08:26

sczin11: XYZ XYZ Twilight News / ordered Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, on Tuesday, the Integrity Commission to lift the names of the accused of stealing public money and overtaking on the property of the state and the people to prevent them from traveling and bring them to justice. Ebadi said in a statement seen by Twilight News, "and we send the Integrity Commission to raise issues related to the defendants of stealing public money and overtaking on the state and people's property names."

He said al-Abadi, that this comes to "prevent them from traveling and bring them to justice." The House passed earlier in the day reforms that provide omitted Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, including the cancellation of high-ranking positions and administrative and financial procedures to curb corruption package. The government plans to set up a committee as "Where did you get this?"

sczin11: Iraq and among the most corrupt countries in the world under the Transparency International index over the past years, and no reports always squandering and embezzlement of large sums of money without accountability involved.

sczin11: translate.googleuserconte...   LINK 

Tootsie: yes, 7 for sure ~

TxBrand: I know I should not repeat what I hear on cc .. but they said that 230 trillion dinar was being funneled back into Iraq from all of the people they dismissed ... hope we can find out if that true wow

Fit2beFit: Has section 32 of Iraq's currency law ever been discussed

Tootsie: ‹@Fit2beFit› I could compute, but falls in line with the 7-10 billion Dollars of above. YEA

Fit2beFit: Here is a post to it, would love to hear opinions on it

Fit2beFit: "Yet another part of this puzzle is Iraq’s currency laws. I have pointed out several times that in section 32 of Iraq’s currency laws it is illegal to export their currency outside of Iraq and that the dinar can only be used within Iraq itself.

Now this is a law they do not enforce because to do so would stop the flow of U.S. dollars into Iraq’s reserve supply!" Just imagine that if Iraq was to RV, do you really think they is a snowballs chance in **that they would allow all the IQD outside of the country to be exchanged? What is the supposed new rate? $3.?? That would cost Iraq trillions of dollars.

 Iraq has been getting USD from Dinar sales, dealers have been making an outrageous profit selling it and XXX has been pumping the crap out of it, getting stinking rich. Where does that leave the Dinar holders outside of Iraq?

Stuck with a bunch of worthless toilet paper that no bank will exchange, because Iraq will only exchange for the new currency in country and everyone outside of Iraq will be SOL.

Tootsie: newsflash ! Carnival cruise lines offering Wi-Fi next year ~ from 5 to 25 buckeroos a day (depending) good gravy sheesh

Fit2beFit: As a whole about section 32 of Iraq's currency law has it been talked about?

TxBrand: ‹@Fit2beFit› ugh

Fit2beFit: Wait it is a ledgit question as a whole

Tootsie: well, I truly do not believe the 3+ change in rate ~~ don't think there is that much money around, - my thoughts.

Fit2beFit: section 32 of Iraq’s currency

Fit2beFit: section 32 of Iraq’s currency laws it is illegal to export their currency outside of Iraq and that the dinar can only be used within Iraq itself. Now this is a law they do not enforce because to do so would stop the flow of U.S. dollars into Iraq’s reserve supply!"

Fit2beFit: Has it ever been trully discussed, researched?

Tootsie: ‹@Fit2beFit› worth some time checking out, sec 32, - but don't forget the CPA order 39 for Iraq ~ snip from it ~ 4) “Foreign investor” means (a) a business entity constituted or organized under the law of a country other than Iraq; (b) a natural person who is (i) a national of a country other than Iraq, (ii) a stateless person not residing permanently in Iraq, or (iii) a national of Iraq residing permanently outside of Iraq; or (c) a business entity constituted or organized by any of the above under the law of Iraq; that is making or has made an investment in Iraq. –

 CPA order 39 (not 13303 - ) is what supposedly gives us the right - 13303 is devoted to protection of companies/businesses (oil) in Iraq. worth reading CPA orders http://ift.tt/1Wh6SpS... http://ift.tt/1Np7Jif

Fit2beFit: ‹@Tootsie› so, i'm blonde, as a whole, so that rules out section 32 then?
Tootsie: Good item to pose to Chattels, he is the legal mind here ~~ I have not a clue ~ sniff sniff

Fit2beFit: ‹@Tootsie› i did, waiting for his thoughts on it

Tootsie: I am not sure when/if/ how long CPA orders were / are in effect - another item to find out = goodness eek    hahaha

 Donnie: House of Representatives finish reading six laws and determines on August 25 as the date for the questioning of the Minister of Electricity August 11 0.2015

Donnie: Majlis deputies ended its session usual eleven, which was held under the chairmanship of Dr. Salim al-Jubouri, President of the Council and in the presence of 283 deputies on Tuesday, 08.11.2015 the first reading of six draft laws.

TxBrand: in not sure it says that ----> Article 32 – Issuance of Currency. 1. The CBI shall have the exclusive right to issue banknotes and coins INTENDED for CIRCULATION in Iraq. Banknotes issued under this Article shall be the first charge on the assets of the CBI. 

The CBI shall make appropriate arrangements for the issue of its banknotes and coins for circulation in Iraq. Banknotes and coins issued by the CBI and intended for circulation in Iraq are not: promissory Notes, Bills of Exchange, or any other type of commercial document under the applicable commercial law, and the CBI is obligated to honor them only as provided for in this Law. iraqcurrencywatch.wordpre... read all at Article 32 – Issuance of Currency.

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Donnie: Then it decided to adjourn the meeting to next Thursday 13.08.2015 The information department Iraqi Council of Representatives 11/08/2015

Fit2beFit: ‹@TxBrand› IN IRAQ

Donnie: read the whole post here as to what Parliament did today... http://ift.tt/1Wh6SWR;http://ift.tt/1Np7Jij

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