Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 8-15-15
Wealthwatch Morning Sczin11 Chat 8-15-15 Part 1 of 2
chattels: Maliki leaves for Iran 14/8/2015 ten past six p.m. [Baghdad-where] Vice President Nuri al-Maliki to Iran left Friday afternoon.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr. http://ift.tt/1DTc9hw
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 13h13 hours ago Sources close to former #Iraq VP Maliki say he left for Iran today Friday to take part in an Islamic conference http://ift.tt/1HGw1CS;
http://ift.tt/1KnPKFL
chattels: Is it coincidence that if Maliki is out of the country that the Mosul report is to be published Saturday or Monday ( depending upon the report that one reads or is credible ) ?
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Wealthwatch Morning Sczin11 Chat 8-15-15 Part 1 of 2
chattels: Maliki leaves for Iran 14/8/2015 ten past six p.m. [Baghdad-where] Vice President Nuri al-Maliki to Iran left Friday afternoon.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr. http://ift.tt/1DTc9hw
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser 13h13 hours ago Sources close to former #Iraq VP Maliki say he left for Iran today Friday to take part in an Islamic conference http://ift.tt/1HGw1CS;
http://ift.tt/1KnPKFL
chattels: Is it coincidence that if Maliki is out of the country that the Mosul report is to be published Saturday or Monday ( depending upon the report that one reads or is credible ) ?
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chattels: Interesting that Visser , who has questioned the constitutionality of Abadi's actions in abolishing constitutional offices, is referring to Maliki as " former Iraq VP ".
chattels: One cannot help but wonder whether Abadi has allowed Maliki to leave with the understanding that he will not return. Maliki is no stranger to political exile. He spent 24 years in absentia during Saddam Hussein's regime.
chattels: On 16 July 1979, al-Maliki fled Iraq after he was discovered to be a member of the outlawed Islamic Dawa Party. According to a brief biography on the Islamic Dawa Party's website, he left Iraq via Jordan in October, and soon moved to Syria, adopting the pseudonym "Jawad".
He left Syria for Iran in 1982, where he lived in Tehran until 1990, before returning to Damascus where he remained until U.S. coalition forces invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam's regime in 2003.
chattels: If he is complicit in Maliki's departure and Maliki is shown to be the corrupt individual that so many think that he is then how will he explain such to the Iraqi people ?
chattels: There is " ink " just today indicating that Tehran will not allow the prosecution of Maliki.
Doug_W: watching local AM news
plowboy: ‹@Doug_W› Dougie what is the news? Trump stuff, Hillary stuff, etc?
plowboy: oh, my bad, you said local
plowboy: in that case, wrong way head on collision, heat wave, etc
plowboy: oh cool, we're only in the high 90's today, not triple digits
chattels: good morning all
chattels: Committee for the fall of Mosul condemns al-Maliki in June events 15/8/2015
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1DTc9hA
chattels: " The Committee held the fall of Mosul today's meeting to read its final report and set a date submitted to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives to display "
chattels: Zamili: tomorrow we vote on the final report of the fall of Mosul and to allocate it to the presidency of Parliament 15/8/2015 three six p.m. [Baghdad-where] President of the Special Parliamentary Committee said an investigation into the fall of the city of Mosul of quitting that his committee "will vote on Sunday on its report on the events of the final occupation of the city and Daash terrorist gangs in June 2014.
Zamili said during the Committee's meeting held today, "that after the committee votes on the report will be submitted to the Presidium of the House of Representatives currently in the parliamentary sessions" ..itba http://ift.tt/1HGw1CS; (Page Not Found)
Donnie: For all the newbies here that haven't been involved with Iraq for the past ten years this article is very interesting:
Donnie: Premature excitement about Iraq’s new government reforms
Donnie: http://ift.tt/o9hUmT... http://ift.tt/1N7PdOv
Donnie: Talk about history repeating itself. If this article is accurate these reforms have been tried a few times before already.
Sam: GM sure looks like it Donnie
Donnie: GM. I'm new so this is all new to me.
Sam: I know this is a gamble but I am sure I am not the only one who is really hoping this is not just a bunch of cow poop but that it is really going to happen.... oh really donnie not me
Sam: me long enough to see so many things happen and come and go that were "legitimate" markers for this to happen to only come and go
chattels: " Abadi’s plan was conceived in the midst of an ongoing power struggle among Shiite political circles. It is no secret that Vice President al-Maliki has been vying to undermine his former colleague since he was ousted from the prime minister’s position last year. What is less well known is that he and several other political forces (all of which are closely aligned to Iran) have been mounting a serious challenge to Abadi’s authority over the past few weeks. "
chattels: And while few will dispute that al-Maliki should be sidelined, it is worth noting that al-Abadi’s own record is not particularly inspiring either. During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter. He also does not have any major accomplishments to his name from his own eight-year tenure in parliament.
Sam: now I lurk
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
Sam: life called and right now I have a wedding to prepare for
Donnie: ‹@chattels› WOW...
Sam: chattels abadi and maliki are from the same party
Sam: is that what i am reading
chattels: the constitutional context in which the reform plan was written is not particularly reassuring. Although Abadi claims to want to reform the constitution, that text makes it clear that the only way in which it can be amended is through a referendum, which would take years to organize in the current security climate.
This means that any major reforms passed in the current context will either have conform with Iraq’s current decrepit constitution, or they will necessarily open the door to an even more lawless environment than the one we are living in now, in which any sitting prime minister can change the constitution at will.
And that is why the proposal to cancel the vice president’s position is so problematic: Contrary to what some commentators have written, several constitutional provisions actually require for there to be a vice-president.
Sam: that doesnt sound good
chattels: The plan will be challenged legally and politically and has put the entire constitutional system of government in doubt, all for changes that will not make much difference in practice.
chattels: Even more worrying is the way in which the plan concentrates power in Abadi’s hands. The plan grants the prime minister the authority to dismiss governors and even directly elected local officials, in case of “poor performance, violating the law or corruption.”
Donnie: ‹@chattels› so it seems Abadi is just telling the Iraqi people what they want to hear to appease the protests...
Sam: and the crap continues
chattels: I have been preaching about the constitutional issues and the danger of a government of man rather than laws
Sam: this is why i so appreciate those that continue to look at the news because i just can't do it anymore...have to just lurk can not live in the chatroom like i use to
Donnie: House of Representatives vote on the substance of 104 out of 157 material and labor law to proceed with the second reading of the law of freedom of expression August 15, 2015 Majlis deputies ended the regular third ten minutes, which was held under the chairmanship of Dr. Salim al-Jubouri, President of the Council and in the presence of 240 deputies today Saturday, 08/15/2015,
the vote on the substance of 104 out of 157 articles of the labor law began in the second reading of the law of freedom of expression. http://ift.tt/1NH4jaj...
Donnie: Read more http://ift.tt/1NH4jaj... http://ift.tt/1DTc9hG
chattels: these reforms may be more about an attempt at neutralizing Maliki than anything else
chattels: Remember that Abadi's government itself was installed with the promise of a reform agenda
chattels: those reforms are half completed
chattels: Our hope may be in the clergy and populace, but both of them have their own dangers
chattels: Premature excitement about Iraq’s new government reforms
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1KnPIhd
chattels: COURTESY OF DONNIE
chattels: One cannot help but wonder whether Abadi has allowed Maliki to leave with the understanding that he will not return. Maliki is no stranger to political exile. He spent 24 years in absentia during Saddam Hussein's regime.
chattels: On 16 July 1979, al-Maliki fled Iraq after he was discovered to be a member of the outlawed Islamic Dawa Party. According to a brief biography on the Islamic Dawa Party's website, he left Iraq via Jordan in October, and soon moved to Syria, adopting the pseudonym "Jawad".
He left Syria for Iran in 1982, where he lived in Tehran until 1990, before returning to Damascus where he remained until U.S. coalition forces invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam's regime in 2003.
chattels: If he is complicit in Maliki's departure and Maliki is shown to be the corrupt individual that so many think that he is then how will he explain such to the Iraqi people ?
chattels: There is " ink " just today indicating that Tehran will not allow the prosecution of Maliki.
Doug_W: watching local AM news
plowboy: ‹@Doug_W› Dougie what is the news? Trump stuff, Hillary stuff, etc?
plowboy: oh, my bad, you said local
plowboy: in that case, wrong way head on collision, heat wave, etc
plowboy: oh cool, we're only in the high 90's today, not triple digits
chattels: good morning all
chattels: Committee for the fall of Mosul condemns al-Maliki in June events 15/8/2015
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1DTc9hA
chattels: " The Committee held the fall of Mosul today's meeting to read its final report and set a date submitted to the Presidency of the Council of Representatives to display "
chattels: Zamili: tomorrow we vote on the final report of the fall of Mosul and to allocate it to the presidency of Parliament 15/8/2015 three six p.m. [Baghdad-where] President of the Special Parliamentary Committee said an investigation into the fall of the city of Mosul of quitting that his committee "will vote on Sunday on its report on the events of the final occupation of the city and Daash terrorist gangs in June 2014.
Zamili said during the Committee's meeting held today, "that after the committee votes on the report will be submitted to the Presidium of the House of Representatives currently in the parliamentary sessions" ..itba http://ift.tt/1HGw1CS; (Page Not Found)
Donnie: For all the newbies here that haven't been involved with Iraq for the past ten years this article is very interesting:
Donnie: Premature excitement about Iraq’s new government reforms
Donnie: http://ift.tt/o9hUmT... http://ift.tt/1N7PdOv
Donnie: Talk about history repeating itself. If this article is accurate these reforms have been tried a few times before already.
Sam: GM sure looks like it Donnie
Donnie: GM. I'm new so this is all new to me.
Sam: I know this is a gamble but I am sure I am not the only one who is really hoping this is not just a bunch of cow poop but that it is really going to happen.... oh really donnie not me
Sam: me long enough to see so many things happen and come and go that were "legitimate" markers for this to happen to only come and go
chattels: " Abadi’s plan was conceived in the midst of an ongoing power struggle among Shiite political circles. It is no secret that Vice President al-Maliki has been vying to undermine his former colleague since he was ousted from the prime minister’s position last year. What is less well known is that he and several other political forces (all of which are closely aligned to Iran) have been mounting a serious challenge to Abadi’s authority over the past few weeks. "
chattels: And while few will dispute that al-Maliki should be sidelined, it is worth noting that al-Abadi’s own record is not particularly inspiring either. During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter. He also does not have any major accomplishments to his name from his own eight-year tenure in parliament.
Sam: now I lurk
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
chattels: During al-Maliki’s entire tenure as prime minister, al-Abadi never appeared to differ from his party colleague on any important policy matter.
Sam: life called and right now I have a wedding to prepare for
Donnie: ‹@chattels› WOW...
Sam: chattels abadi and maliki are from the same party
Sam: is that what i am reading
chattels: the constitutional context in which the reform plan was written is not particularly reassuring. Although Abadi claims to want to reform the constitution, that text makes it clear that the only way in which it can be amended is through a referendum, which would take years to organize in the current security climate.
This means that any major reforms passed in the current context will either have conform with Iraq’s current decrepit constitution, or they will necessarily open the door to an even more lawless environment than the one we are living in now, in which any sitting prime minister can change the constitution at will.
And that is why the proposal to cancel the vice president’s position is so problematic: Contrary to what some commentators have written, several constitutional provisions actually require for there to be a vice-president.
Sam: that doesnt sound good
chattels: The plan will be challenged legally and politically and has put the entire constitutional system of government in doubt, all for changes that will not make much difference in practice.
chattels: Even more worrying is the way in which the plan concentrates power in Abadi’s hands. The plan grants the prime minister the authority to dismiss governors and even directly elected local officials, in case of “poor performance, violating the law or corruption.”
Donnie: ‹@chattels› so it seems Abadi is just telling the Iraqi people what they want to hear to appease the protests...
Sam: and the crap continues
chattels: I have been preaching about the constitutional issues and the danger of a government of man rather than laws
Sam: this is why i so appreciate those that continue to look at the news because i just can't do it anymore...have to just lurk can not live in the chatroom like i use to
Donnie: House of Representatives vote on the substance of 104 out of 157 material and labor law to proceed with the second reading of the law of freedom of expression August 15, 2015 Majlis deputies ended the regular third ten minutes, which was held under the chairmanship of Dr. Salim al-Jubouri, President of the Council and in the presence of 240 deputies today Saturday, 08/15/2015,
the vote on the substance of 104 out of 157 articles of the labor law began in the second reading of the law of freedom of expression. http://ift.tt/1NH4jaj...
Donnie: Read more http://ift.tt/1NH4jaj... http://ift.tt/1DTc9hG
chattels: these reforms may be more about an attempt at neutralizing Maliki than anything else
chattels: Remember that Abadi's government itself was installed with the promise of a reform agenda
chattels: those reforms are half completed
chattels: Our hope may be in the clergy and populace, but both of them have their own dangers
chattels: Premature excitement about Iraq’s new government reforms
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1KnPIhd
chattels: COURTESY OF DONNIE
sczin11: JUST A QUICK OBSERVATION/COMENT ON THE WP ARTICLE ABOVE... WHILE THE CONTENT MAY BE TRUE, I REALLY CANT CONFIRM OR DENY,
AS I WASNT RESEARCHING BACK THEN, LIKE I AM TODAY, AND IT DIDNT PROVIDE ANY LINKS OR PROOF OF ITS ACCURACY,
I CAN SAY, THAT THERE WAS LIMITED PARTNERING DURING THOSE STATED PERIODS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL AGENCIES THROUG THE LAST 12 YEARS...
THE IMF, WORLD BANK, FATF, UN, BIS, AND WORLD COALITIONS, WERE NOT AS DIRECTLY INVOLVED, AS THEY ARE TODAY..WORKSHOPS FROM THE WTO DIDNT EXIST...
AND WE DO KNOW, LAWS WERENT PASSED, AND MANY OF THE ONES THAT DID, NEVER REACHED THE GAZETTE..RATHER REMAINED ON SOMEONES DESK, IN SOME CASES FOR YEARS...
SO, THE FACT THAT THE REFORM PLAN MAY BE SIMILAR TODAY, AS IN THE PAST, ACTIONS DO SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...FOLLOW THE MONEY!
chattels: the legal expert Tarqh war, said that "changing the President of the Federal Power [Medhat al-Mahmoud] will be the issuance of the new Federal Court Act of the House of Representatives and the promise of controls in the Presidency."
chattels: The war told all of Iraq [where] a copy of it, "may not be the sacking of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Council, but the issuance of the law and that because the Law No. 30 of 2005 issued by the President of the interim government of Iyad Allawi as head of the legislature at the time say that the service and members of the Federal Court is a lifetime. "
chattels: The legal expert "that is not for the three presidencies no authority to dismiss the head of the Supreme Judicial Council unless the issue of the new Federal Court Act current president [Medhat al-Mahmoud] is the head of the judiciary is to change the issuance of the law because the private Federal Court currently in force law decided that the Chairman and members of the Court Federal continue service until their death and it depends on the issuance of the new Federal Court Act to amend it. "
chattels: wealthwatch.world/newthre... http://ift.tt/1IRI51o
chattels: MY READ / TAKE ON THE FOREGOING ARTICLE IS THAT ABSENT A CHANGE IN THE LAW THAT MEDHAT IS THE CHIEF JUDICIAL OFFICER FOR LIFE
sczin11: ‹@chattels› MORE CONFLICT IN THE LAW,MAS I BELIEVE WE HAVE READ ABOUT AN AGE LIMIT FOR ONE...THE ABOVE COULD MEAN "EMERITUS" STATUS AS WE CALL IT IN MANY AREAS OF LEADERSHIP
chattels: ‹@sczin11› NOT SURE, BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT MEDHAT DID INDEED RESIGN.
sczin11: GOOOD MORNING EVERYBODY
chattels: ‹@sczin11› GM, YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED
sczin11: ‹@chattels› LIKE MANY OTHER CONFLICTING REPORTS WE HAVE SEEN...HE RESIGNED, YET ORDERED EMERGENCY SESSION FOR MONDAY...
MALIKI RESIGNED, YET STILL MAKING STATEMENTS AND PLEASE, AND OFFICIAL MEETINGS OUTSIDE IRAQ, YET BANNED FROM TRAVEL......
sczin11: ‹@chattels› BEEN TRAVELLING..IPAD NOT WORKING GREAT..UPDATED SOFTWARE LIKE A FOOL, AND DESTROYED EVERYTHING I WAS ABLE TO DO...TRIED TO REMOVE UPDATE, AND NOT POSSIBLE TO DO, THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT...
BB824: who is he who resigned but ordered emergency meeting monda5?
sczin11: ‹@chattels› YES, A BIGGG BOO BOO AND NO BANDAID BIG ENOUGH TO HELP STOP THE BLEEDING
sczin11: ‹@BB824› MAHMOOD
chattels: THERE IS NEWS AT AIN THIS MORNING, BUT FOR SOME REASON MY ACCESS IS HIT / MISS
chattels: MOSUL REPORT AND MALIKI'S MOVEMENTS SHOULD BE A FASCINATING EXERCISE
sczin11: ‹@BB824› I TRULY AM SORRY..IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO BRING LINKS..I AM SEVERELY HANDICAPPED, WHICH IS Y I HAVE KEPT FAIRLY QUIET..
BEEN SENDING AND TALKING TO OOTW, WHO HAS BEEN POSTING ON MY BEHALF..WHEN NECESSARY...THE RELEASES I REFER TO ARE ALL IN THE FORUM
BB824: Well sorry excepted if you can by 5 today push the RV button and buy dinner lol
Comments may be made at the end of Part 2 Thank You
AS I WASNT RESEARCHING BACK THEN, LIKE I AM TODAY, AND IT DIDNT PROVIDE ANY LINKS OR PROOF OF ITS ACCURACY,
I CAN SAY, THAT THERE WAS LIMITED PARTNERING DURING THOSE STATED PERIODS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL AGENCIES THROUG THE LAST 12 YEARS...
THE IMF, WORLD BANK, FATF, UN, BIS, AND WORLD COALITIONS, WERE NOT AS DIRECTLY INVOLVED, AS THEY ARE TODAY..WORKSHOPS FROM THE WTO DIDNT EXIST...
AND WE DO KNOW, LAWS WERENT PASSED, AND MANY OF THE ONES THAT DID, NEVER REACHED THE GAZETTE..RATHER REMAINED ON SOMEONES DESK, IN SOME CASES FOR YEARS...
SO, THE FACT THAT THE REFORM PLAN MAY BE SIMILAR TODAY, AS IN THE PAST, ACTIONS DO SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...FOLLOW THE MONEY!
chattels: the legal expert Tarqh war, said that "changing the President of the Federal Power [Medhat al-Mahmoud] will be the issuance of the new Federal Court Act of the House of Representatives and the promise of controls in the Presidency."
chattels: The war told all of Iraq [where] a copy of it, "may not be the sacking of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Council, but the issuance of the law and that because the Law No. 30 of 2005 issued by the President of the interim government of Iyad Allawi as head of the legislature at the time say that the service and members of the Federal Court is a lifetime. "
chattels: The legal expert "that is not for the three presidencies no authority to dismiss the head of the Supreme Judicial Council unless the issue of the new Federal Court Act current president [Medhat al-Mahmoud] is the head of the judiciary is to change the issuance of the law because the private Federal Court currently in force law decided that the Chairman and members of the Court Federal continue service until their death and it depends on the issuance of the new Federal Court Act to amend it. "
chattels: wealthwatch.world/newthre... http://ift.tt/1IRI51o
chattels: MY READ / TAKE ON THE FOREGOING ARTICLE IS THAT ABSENT A CHANGE IN THE LAW THAT MEDHAT IS THE CHIEF JUDICIAL OFFICER FOR LIFE
sczin11: ‹@chattels› MORE CONFLICT IN THE LAW,MAS I BELIEVE WE HAVE READ ABOUT AN AGE LIMIT FOR ONE...THE ABOVE COULD MEAN "EMERITUS" STATUS AS WE CALL IT IN MANY AREAS OF LEADERSHIP
chattels: ‹@sczin11› NOT SURE, BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT MEDHAT DID INDEED RESIGN.
sczin11: GOOOD MORNING EVERYBODY
chattels: ‹@sczin11› GM, YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED
sczin11: ‹@chattels› LIKE MANY OTHER CONFLICTING REPORTS WE HAVE SEEN...HE RESIGNED, YET ORDERED EMERGENCY SESSION FOR MONDAY...
MALIKI RESIGNED, YET STILL MAKING STATEMENTS AND PLEASE, AND OFFICIAL MEETINGS OUTSIDE IRAQ, YET BANNED FROM TRAVEL......
sczin11: ‹@chattels› BEEN TRAVELLING..IPAD NOT WORKING GREAT..UPDATED SOFTWARE LIKE A FOOL, AND DESTROYED EVERYTHING I WAS ABLE TO DO...TRIED TO REMOVE UPDATE, AND NOT POSSIBLE TO DO, THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT...
BB824: who is he who resigned but ordered emergency meeting monda5?
sczin11: ‹@chattels› YES, A BIGGG BOO BOO AND NO BANDAID BIG ENOUGH TO HELP STOP THE BLEEDING
sczin11: ‹@BB824› MAHMOOD
chattels: THERE IS NEWS AT AIN THIS MORNING, BUT FOR SOME REASON MY ACCESS IS HIT / MISS
chattels: MOSUL REPORT AND MALIKI'S MOVEMENTS SHOULD BE A FASCINATING EXERCISE
sczin11: ‹@BB824› I TRULY AM SORRY..IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO BRING LINKS..I AM SEVERELY HANDICAPPED, WHICH IS Y I HAVE KEPT FAIRLY QUIET..
BEEN SENDING AND TALKING TO OOTW, WHO HAS BEEN POSTING ON MY BEHALF..WHEN NECESSARY...THE RELEASES I REFER TO ARE ALL IN THE FORUM
BB824: Well sorry excepted if you can by 5 today push the RV button and buy dinner lol
Comments may be made at the end of Part 2 Thank You
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