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Donnie: Subject: OOTW says WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS VERY SOON Today at 11:18 am OOTW THERE ARE MANY LAWS WHICH HAVE BEEN PASSED, AND LISTED AS SUCH AT THE PARLIAMENT SITE, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADED IN THE IRAQI LAW LIBRARY ONLINE –
THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE OFFICIAL "GAZETTE" WHICH WE SEE PUBLISHED AT THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE SITE EVERY TWO TO THREE WEEKS OR SO.
THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY UPLOADS FOR OVER TWO MONTHS IMHO, THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM...
RIGHT NOW...WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE MASSUM HAS SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO ALLOW JOBOURI (HEAD OF THE PARLIAMENT) THE ABILITY TO PASS LAWS AS HE SEES FIT...
SO - WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS VERY SOON HERE WHEN THEY RETURN.
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News - Links & Discussion
Donnie: Subject: OOTW says WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS VERY SOON Today at 11:18 am OOTW THERE ARE MANY LAWS WHICH HAVE BEEN PASSED, AND LISTED AS SUCH AT THE PARLIAMENT SITE, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADED IN THE IRAQI LAW LIBRARY ONLINE –
THIS IS A REFLECTION OF THE OFFICIAL "GAZETTE" WHICH WE SEE PUBLISHED AT THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE SITE EVERY TWO TO THREE WEEKS OR SO.
THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY UPLOADS FOR OVER TWO MONTHS IMHO, THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM...
RIGHT NOW...WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE MASSUM HAS SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO ALLOW JOBOURI (HEAD OF THE PARLIAMENT) THE ABILITY TO PASS LAWS AS HE SEES FIT...
SO - WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS VERY SOON HERE WHEN THEY RETURN.
~~~
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Donnie: Parliamentary Energy: oil agreement between Arbil and Baghdad reached a dead end
Donnie: Khandan -ali Nagy revealed the Commission on oil and energy parliamentary, for the oil agreement between the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government, hit a brick wall, as pointed out that the region's oil exports exceeded the 630 000 barrels a day.
A member of the committee MP Kaveh Mohammad told the reporter " Khandan "The federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government set no specific time for the resumption of their negotiations to resolve differences oil agreement," noting that "differences of agreement and reached a dead end, through the indictment of each other that he did not meet his promises."
He pointed out that he and " During the month of July present the region's oil exports exceeded 630 000 barrels a day independently and not on behalf of Sumo Federal company, "
noting that he and" during this month has been export company SOMO for three days, all of which does not exceed the 750 000 barrel, "explaining that" resort region for export direct, it came against the backdrop of non-payment of dues to the Government of the Federal citizens of Kurdistan. "
Donnie: http://ift.tt/1HZdfo8....
http://ift.tt/1Jkcx9v
Donnie: Commission on oil and energy parliamentary looking setting a new mechanism for agreement between Arbil and Baghdad By Roudao 22 hours ago
Donnie: Roudao - Arbil are looking for Oil and Energy Committee in the Iraqi Council of Representatives, in the development of a new mechanism for agreement oil between Baghdad and Erbil, in coordination with the federal government leading to "transcend past differences", according to the plan.
Donnie: The committee member said Tariq friend in a press statement that "the Commission on oil and energy waiting in the session next week receiving an answer from the President of the Parliament, Salim al about setting a date for the meeting between the Commission on oil and energy Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. "
He said a friend that "the Commission will discuss during the meeting, the development of a new mechanism for agreement oil ensures exceeded the previous differences between Baghdad and Erbil."
The Ministry of Natural Resources in the Kurdistan Regional Government had announced earlier this month sold about 13 million barrels of oil during last June in isolation from the federal government by having to pay the expenses of oil companies in the region.
She noted the ministry said in a statement that "the region produced last month 17.00013 million thousand barrels, of which 12.00074 million barrels of areas of the region, and 4.00039 million barrels of Kirkuk province, fields, sent to the SOMO 4,000,493 thousand barrels, through the Turkish port of Ceyhan, and sold the provincial government the remaining private behaving. "
Donnie: http://ift.tt/1HZdfoc...http://ift.tt/1ek8Ljl
OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...http://ift.tt/1HZdfoe
OOTW: Just a reminder chat I'm on my ph as such my techy skills are limited
OOTW: My apologies for my limited attention im helping coordinate an interstate move for my daughter
OOTW: Thanks everyone! I'm grateful to you all and special thanks for those posting in the forums! Donnie Tootsie Whitelions and forgive me if I've left anyone out
chattels: Carter: ISIS war being fought ‘on behalf of civilization’ By RUDAW
chattels: http://ift.tt/1dh0hsK... http://ift.tt/1LHmGxg
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – United States Defense Secretary Ash Carter left a note for Kurdistan Region President Masoud Barzani after concluding his meeting with the president on Friday in Erbil
chattels: “To President Barzani and Colleagues,” reads Carter’s handwritten letter, “With great admiration for the skill and courage of the Peshmerga, the wisdom of the KRG, and the friendship with the U.S. We look forward to continuing our partnership.”
chattels: “Secretary Carter stated that the United States will continue to support the Peshmerga forces as they continue their efforts against the Islamic State terrorists, to which President Barzani reiterated the Kurdistan Region's appreciation for that support,” the report says.
It goes on to say, “Secretary Carter also stated that the war against the Islamic State is indeed being fought by the Iraqi forces, the Peshmerga forces and the international coalition “on behalf of civilization.”
chattels: Peshmerga mountaintop post prevents ISIS supply line By RUDAW
chattels: DOHUK, Kurdistan Region—Kurdish Peshmerga forces have been able to capture a strategic mountaintop close to the Syrian border which cuts the supply route for Islamic State militants. Peshmerga artillery can target the road and effectively limit militant movement between Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1L3IwMA; http://ift.tt/1IiFI7z
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region - Coalition airstrikes targeted Islamic State (ISIS) positions in the central Iraqi city of Ramadi and Beiji late Thursday night, killing 23 ISIS militants, the Iraqi defense ministry said. The air raids near the Beiji refinery, some 200 kilometers north of Baghdad, killed 21 militants,\
the ministry said in a statement. Beiji, the largest Iraqi oil producing refinery with a large power plant, has been under ISIS control since June last year. It has been shut since ISIS launched its Iraqi offensive more than a year ago.
Meanwhile, the Sunni tribal council of Fallujah said Friday the militants had executed 22 Iraqi Army soldiers, along with 19 civilians who were accused of collaboration with the military.
“They were summary executions without any trials and just to spread fear,” said Sheikh Ahmad Jomaili, who represents the tribal council. The Iraqi Army has announced it will launch a comprehensive offensive to retake the troubled city, which has been a bastion of Sunni insurgency since after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1Ny5Ort...http://ift.tt/1Koxizf
chattels: 22 soldiers and 19 civilians - I wonder what the death benefit / compensation package / costs to the State of Iraq are occassioned by such losses ?
chattels: victims / their families are required to be compensated under the constitution of Iraq
chattels: who die as a result of terrorism that is
chattels: I recently opined in part as follows, " [I]ncreasingly I am persuaded that it is essential for Iraq to have a long term hydrocarbon law and be able to abide/perform in accordance with the terms thereof…such will require consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament.
chattels: " ................. consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: in the news today, courtesy of DinarAlert
chattels: Observers criticize the performance of the House of Representatives 23.07.2015 Observers criticized the political affairs that the performance of the House of Representatives in its current session, noting that this course was not much different from its predecessors.
A writer and political analyst Abdul-Karim Raad Radio Free Iraq "the political differences reflected on the work of the House of Representatives, which led to a decline in its legislative work and oversight '.
The civil rights activist Haidar Ismail believes that the Council has recently been busy in political debate and away too much about the legislation of laws that could occur a qualitative leap in the political scene and the process of transition to democracy.
chattels: Citizens met with them radio Iraq Ahartaliboa destination of legislation important laws, which revolves controversy in respect thereof within the corridors of Parliament, at the same time calling on House members to stay away from the interests of the bloc and pay attention to the legislation of laws that meet the ambitious citizen,
Doug_W: sound familiar "C" ?
chattels: The House of Representatives, has ended its first year without reaching a consensus among political lead to laws that already for the Presidency of the Council that the legislation promised her head Pthariahaually oil and gas laws, political parties, the National Guard, and the Federal Court.
Doug_W: been busy in political debate
chattels: " ...........has ended its first year without reaching a consensus among political lead to laws that already for the Presidency of the Council that the legislation promised her head ........... "
chattels: http://ift.tt/1JkcxpL...
http://ift.tt/1HZdfV1
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› the proverbial " broken record " playing over and over, eh ?
Doug_W: yes
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
Doug_W: adinfinitum
chattels: " .................. oil and gas laws, political parties, the National Guard, and the Federal Court. "
Doug_W: brb
Donnie: ‹@chattels› GA sir
chattels: ‹@Donnie› hello friend - how does the horizon look to you today ?
Donnie: ‹@chattels› not too good....
Donnie: but i'm a survivor so it will workout one way or the other.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› there is no triumph or disaster - stay the course
Donnie: ty
MichelleL: uh oh, another week and we're still in waiting mode - some might think this is a habit...
MichelleL: later friends
chattels: What Iraq needs to survive In describing the Iraqi dilemma since 2003, some Iraqis have been attributing the problem to political rather than social factors, whereby all disputes were ascribed to political causes.
The prevailing thought among these Iraqis is that Iraq did not suffer from any social, sectarian, religious or ethnic rifts that contributed to this fractious state of affairs. Read more: http://ift.tt/1U6ADse...
http://ift.tt/1HZdijG
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› It seems reasonable to think that you can't seperate the religious from the political from the social because the religious is the driving force in that country as well as all of rest of the middle east.
chattels: Social disintegration and other issues facing Iraq require a nationwide reform campaign.
chattels: ‹@KiwiDoc› Nations without separation of church and state can be the most dangerous and difficult
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› that would require a religious enightenment, and Islam clings to the past as it's pattern of behavior. Any religion that fails to adapt to the changing morals of a society will always be controlling their masses by doctrine that promises ultimate spiritual protection
Donnie: Parliamentary Energy: oil agreement between Arbil and Baghdad reached a dead end
Donnie: Khandan -ali Nagy revealed the Commission on oil and energy parliamentary, for the oil agreement between the federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government, hit a brick wall, as pointed out that the region's oil exports exceeded the 630 000 barrels a day.
A member of the committee MP Kaveh Mohammad told the reporter " Khandan "The federal government and the Kurdistan Regional Government set no specific time for the resumption of their negotiations to resolve differences oil agreement," noting that "differences of agreement and reached a dead end, through the indictment of each other that he did not meet his promises."
He pointed out that he and " During the month of July present the region's oil exports exceeded 630 000 barrels a day independently and not on behalf of Sumo Federal company, "
noting that he and" during this month has been export company SOMO for three days, all of which does not exceed the 750 000 barrel, "explaining that" resort region for export direct, it came against the backdrop of non-payment of dues to the Government of the Federal citizens of Kurdistan. "
Donnie: http://ift.tt/1HZdfo8....
http://ift.tt/1Jkcx9v
Donnie: Commission on oil and energy parliamentary looking setting a new mechanism for agreement between Arbil and Baghdad By Roudao 22 hours ago
Donnie: Roudao - Arbil are looking for Oil and Energy Committee in the Iraqi Council of Representatives, in the development of a new mechanism for agreement oil between Baghdad and Erbil, in coordination with the federal government leading to "transcend past differences", according to the plan.
Donnie: The committee member said Tariq friend in a press statement that "the Commission on oil and energy waiting in the session next week receiving an answer from the President of the Parliament, Salim al about setting a date for the meeting between the Commission on oil and energy Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. "
He said a friend that "the Commission will discuss during the meeting, the development of a new mechanism for agreement oil ensures exceeded the previous differences between Baghdad and Erbil."
The Ministry of Natural Resources in the Kurdistan Regional Government had announced earlier this month sold about 13 million barrels of oil during last June in isolation from the federal government by having to pay the expenses of oil companies in the region.
She noted the ministry said in a statement that "the region produced last month 17.00013 million thousand barrels, of which 12.00074 million barrels of areas of the region, and 4.00039 million barrels of Kirkuk province, fields, sent to the SOMO 4,000,493 thousand barrels, through the Turkish port of Ceyhan, and sold the provincial government the remaining private behaving. "
Donnie: http://ift.tt/1HZdfoc...http://ift.tt/1ek8Ljl
OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...http://ift.tt/1HZdfoe
OOTW: Just a reminder chat I'm on my ph as such my techy skills are limited
OOTW: My apologies for my limited attention im helping coordinate an interstate move for my daughter
OOTW: Thanks everyone! I'm grateful to you all and special thanks for those posting in the forums! Donnie Tootsie Whitelions and forgive me if I've left anyone out
chattels: Carter: ISIS war being fought ‘on behalf of civilization’ By RUDAW
chattels: http://ift.tt/1dh0hsK... http://ift.tt/1LHmGxg
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – United States Defense Secretary Ash Carter left a note for Kurdistan Region President Masoud Barzani after concluding his meeting with the president on Friday in Erbil
chattels: “To President Barzani and Colleagues,” reads Carter’s handwritten letter, “With great admiration for the skill and courage of the Peshmerga, the wisdom of the KRG, and the friendship with the U.S. We look forward to continuing our partnership.”
chattels: “Secretary Carter stated that the United States will continue to support the Peshmerga forces as they continue their efforts against the Islamic State terrorists, to which President Barzani reiterated the Kurdistan Region's appreciation for that support,” the report says.
It goes on to say, “Secretary Carter also stated that the war against the Islamic State is indeed being fought by the Iraqi forces, the Peshmerga forces and the international coalition “on behalf of civilization.”
chattels: Peshmerga mountaintop post prevents ISIS supply line By RUDAW
chattels: DOHUK, Kurdistan Region—Kurdish Peshmerga forces have been able to capture a strategic mountaintop close to the Syrian border which cuts the supply route for Islamic State militants. Peshmerga artillery can target the road and effectively limit militant movement between Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1L3IwMA; http://ift.tt/1IiFI7z
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region - Coalition airstrikes targeted Islamic State (ISIS) positions in the central Iraqi city of Ramadi and Beiji late Thursday night, killing 23 ISIS militants, the Iraqi defense ministry said. The air raids near the Beiji refinery, some 200 kilometers north of Baghdad, killed 21 militants,\
the ministry said in a statement. Beiji, the largest Iraqi oil producing refinery with a large power plant, has been under ISIS control since June last year. It has been shut since ISIS launched its Iraqi offensive more than a year ago.
Meanwhile, the Sunni tribal council of Fallujah said Friday the militants had executed 22 Iraqi Army soldiers, along with 19 civilians who were accused of collaboration with the military.
“They were summary executions without any trials and just to spread fear,” said Sheikh Ahmad Jomaili, who represents the tribal council. The Iraqi Army has announced it will launch a comprehensive offensive to retake the troubled city, which has been a bastion of Sunni insurgency since after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1Ny5Ort...http://ift.tt/1Koxizf
chattels: 22 soldiers and 19 civilians - I wonder what the death benefit / compensation package / costs to the State of Iraq are occassioned by such losses ?
chattels: victims / their families are required to be compensated under the constitution of Iraq
chattels: who die as a result of terrorism that is
chattels: I recently opined in part as follows, " [I]ncreasingly I am persuaded that it is essential for Iraq to have a long term hydrocarbon law and be able to abide/perform in accordance with the terms thereof…such will require consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament.
chattels: " ................. consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: in the news today, courtesy of DinarAlert
chattels: Observers criticize the performance of the House of Representatives 23.07.2015 Observers criticized the political affairs that the performance of the House of Representatives in its current session, noting that this course was not much different from its predecessors.
A writer and political analyst Abdul-Karim Raad Radio Free Iraq "the political differences reflected on the work of the House of Representatives, which led to a decline in its legislative work and oversight '.
The civil rights activist Haidar Ismail believes that the Council has recently been busy in political debate and away too much about the legislation of laws that could occur a qualitative leap in the political scene and the process of transition to democracy.
chattels: Citizens met with them radio Iraq Ahartaliboa destination of legislation important laws, which revolves controversy in respect thereof within the corridors of Parliament, at the same time calling on House members to stay away from the interests of the bloc and pay attention to the legislation of laws that meet the ambitious citizen,
Doug_W: sound familiar "C" ?
chattels: The House of Representatives, has ended its first year without reaching a consensus among political lead to laws that already for the Presidency of the Council that the legislation promised her head Pthariahaually oil and gas laws, political parties, the National Guard, and the Federal Court.
Doug_W: been busy in political debate
chattels: " ...........has ended its first year without reaching a consensus among political lead to laws that already for the Presidency of the Council that the legislation promised her head ........... "
chattels: http://ift.tt/1JkcxpL...
http://ift.tt/1HZdfV1
chattels: ‹@Doug_W› the proverbial " broken record " playing over and over, eh ?
Doug_W: yes
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
chattels: " ......... consensus and legislative action which continues to be a challenge for the Iraqi Parliament. "
Doug_W: adinfinitum
chattels: " .................. oil and gas laws, political parties, the National Guard, and the Federal Court. "
Doug_W: brb
Donnie: ‹@chattels› GA sir
chattels: ‹@Donnie› hello friend - how does the horizon look to you today ?
Donnie: ‹@chattels› not too good....
Donnie: but i'm a survivor so it will workout one way or the other.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› there is no triumph or disaster - stay the course
Donnie: ty
MichelleL: uh oh, another week and we're still in waiting mode - some might think this is a habit...
MichelleL: later friends
chattels: What Iraq needs to survive In describing the Iraqi dilemma since 2003, some Iraqis have been attributing the problem to political rather than social factors, whereby all disputes were ascribed to political causes.
The prevailing thought among these Iraqis is that Iraq did not suffer from any social, sectarian, religious or ethnic rifts that contributed to this fractious state of affairs. Read more: http://ift.tt/1U6ADse...
http://ift.tt/1HZdijG
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› It seems reasonable to think that you can't seperate the religious from the political from the social because the religious is the driving force in that country as well as all of rest of the middle east.
chattels: Social disintegration and other issues facing Iraq require a nationwide reform campaign.
chattels: ‹@KiwiDoc› Nations without separation of church and state can be the most dangerous and difficult
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› that would require a religious enightenment, and Islam clings to the past as it's pattern of behavior. Any religion that fails to adapt to the changing morals of a society will always be controlling their masses by doctrine that promises ultimate spiritual protection
chattels: " ... it is futile to seek exclusively political solutions to the social crises engendered by that conflict, such as the growing number of widows, orphans and disabled people as well as the prevalence of poverty and the militarization of society."
chattels: What is required in the context of the country’s political pursuit of initiatives aimed at reaching national reconciliation, as part of preparedness for the post-Islamic State (IS) era, is for the government, politicians, media personalities, religious figures and concerned organizations to seek long-term action and initiatives meant to address social trouble.
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› totally agree, but that being said, the number of impoverished, wounded warriors here is growing and most likely we have no clue as to the depth of this problem for us, let alone them.
chattels: religion is a panacea for the masses ?
KiwiDoc: one could use religion for good or bad, recalling "In God We Trust" was on the SS belt buckle
chattels: Religion the Opiate of the Masses ? - Karl Marx
KiwiDoc: Killing in God's name is the ultimate perversion
chattels: ‹@KiwiDoc› I did not know such about the SS belt buckle
chattels: Gott Mit Uns was the motto of the German empire upon it's formation in 1871. The American equivalent since 1956 has been "In God We Trust". However it was only the Wehrmacht who wore the "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. The Waffen SS, the actual Nazi Party military force instead wore "My Honor Is Loyalty" (Meine Ehre heißt Treue).
chattels: http://ift.tt/pLYVxX...
http://ift.tt/1HZdijK
KiwiDoc: I believe that any doctrine that takes freedom from the individual is inherently corrupt, and that control of the masses by any means will lead to decline and decay
KiwiDoc: I stand corrected......a belief long held, thanks for that!
chattels: What is required in the context of the country’s political pursuit of initiatives aimed at reaching national reconciliation, as part of preparedness for the post-Islamic State (IS) era, is for the government, politicians, media personalities, religious figures and concerned organizations to seek long-term action and initiatives meant to address social trouble.
KiwiDoc: ‹@chattels› totally agree, but that being said, the number of impoverished, wounded warriors here is growing and most likely we have no clue as to the depth of this problem for us, let alone them.
chattels: religion is a panacea for the masses ?
KiwiDoc: one could use religion for good or bad, recalling "In God We Trust" was on the SS belt buckle
chattels: Religion the Opiate of the Masses ? - Karl Marx
KiwiDoc: Killing in God's name is the ultimate perversion
chattels: ‹@KiwiDoc› I did not know such about the SS belt buckle
chattels: Gott Mit Uns was the motto of the German empire upon it's formation in 1871. The American equivalent since 1956 has been "In God We Trust". However it was only the Wehrmacht who wore the "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. The Waffen SS, the actual Nazi Party military force instead wore "My Honor Is Loyalty" (Meine Ehre heißt Treue).
chattels: http://ift.tt/pLYVxX...
http://ift.tt/1HZdijK
KiwiDoc: I believe that any doctrine that takes freedom from the individual is inherently corrupt, and that control of the masses by any means will lead to decline and decay
KiwiDoc: I stand corrected......a belief long held, thanks for that!
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