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Winnerdinar: rare earth minerals, gold agriculture tourism ect ect ect
Winnerdinar: stop depending on oil
rocknrollbus: @Chattels...........Dude!! Can you 'splain why they don't just stop the bank auctions?
OOTW: THEYRE WORKING ON ADDRESSING THE CORRUPTION FIRST ROCKNROLLBUS
OOTW: LIQUIDITY IS DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HOLDING DINARS IN THEIR HOMES
OOTW: THE CBI WANTS TO FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE BACK INTO THE BANKS
THEY'VE SAID THEY PLAN ON ADDRESSING THIS
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News With Links & Discussion
Wealthwatch Monday Evening Chat 12-14-15 Part 2 of 2
Winnerdinar: rare earth minerals, gold agriculture tourism ect ect ect
Winnerdinar: stop depending on oil
rocknrollbus: @Chattels...........Dude!! Can you 'splain why they don't just stop the bank auctions?
OOTW: THEYRE WORKING ON ADDRESSING THE CORRUPTION FIRST ROCKNROLLBUS
OOTW: LIQUIDITY IS DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HOLDING DINARS IN THEIR HOMES
OOTW: THE CBI WANTS TO FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE BACK INTO THE BANKS
THEY'VE SAID THEY PLAN ON ADDRESSING THIS
~~~
rocknrollbus: Which is ISIS and McFeces (Maliki), correct?
OOTW: GOING BACK TO LAST SUMMER, THE GOI PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES STATING THAT MANY IRAQI POLITICIANS HAD CORRUPT DEALINGS VIA THE CURRENCY AUCTIONS
OOTW: CERTAINLY, THIS STATE RE THE AUCTIONS TOOK OFF DURING MALIKI'S REGIME
OOTW: IMHO THE CBI HAS TO ADDRESS THIS IN ORDER TO START SHOWING COMPLIANCE TOWARDS IMF POLICIES
rocknrollbus: I can get'em back in the banks.............turn the damned Dinar back on!!! bwaaaaahahahahahahaha
OOTW: IN PART, THEY NEED TO SHOW VISIBLE BANKING PRACTICES AND HOW CAN THEY DO THIS IF THE CBI IS ALLOWING THE PRIVATE BANKS, AND CURRENCY VENDORS TO FACILITATE CORRUPTION THROUGH THE AUCTIONS?
OOTW: SO NOW, THE CBI WANTS TO BE SEEN ADDRESSING CORRUPTION
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› It may be that too many influential and corrupted individuals are making money through the auctions
OOTW: THEY'RE DOING THIS (AGAIN, IN PART) THROUGH ANNOUNCEMENTS PUBLICIZED AT THE CBI SITE - TO NAME SPECIFIC BANKS WHICH ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AUCTION REGULATIONS
OOTW: INDEED CHATTELS
OOTW: ‹@rocknrollbus› ONE STEP AT A TIME
rocknrollbus: I was reading C's novel on the history of the Dinar, (which was great, btw) and it was stated the Dinar was still leagally?? set at $3.30?
chattels: One recent article stated that DAESH is realizing revenue of 25 million per month through the counterfeiting of invoices through the auction
rocknrollbus: yuuuuup.......read all that.
chattels: Iraq can say that the dinar is worth whatever they want, but it is the world market's valuation that matters, IMO
rocknrollbus: Soooooo.............wouldn't it behoove them to turn it back on at around $3?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› Who would accept such a value ?
rocknrollbus: I know they have plenty of assets to back it besides their reserves.
chattels: Until assets are liquidated then they have no value except maybe as collateral for a loan
rocknrollbus: I know the Feasibility Study said around $1.13 - $1.16?
chattels: I am the wrong person to be opining about any of this.
Stash: I will take that on a heart beat
OOTW: THIS JUST IN OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cm
OOTW: Tomorrow .. Showing 2016 budget vote
OOTW: THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY GOES BACK MANY YEARS AND POSTED AT THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING SITE
OOTW: THE CRITERIA FOR WHICH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS/ARE BASED UPON, ARE NOT THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES
rocknrollbus: so what are they placing a barrel of oil at for the 2016 budget?
OOTW: THEREFORE; I WOULD ADMONISH THAT PEOPLE PERFORM THEIR OWN RESEARCH ON SUCH STATISTICS
OOTW: AND CRITERIA
OOTW: WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION AFTER THEY PASS THE BUDGET
chattels: Supposedly Parliament does not convene until Wednesday, how will a vote be taken tomorrow ?
OOTW: AND WE WILL POST IT HERE AT WEALTHWATCH
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› $ 45 I think
OOTW: I POSTED AN ARTICLE FROM ALLIRAQ OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THEY WOULD BE HOLDING A VOTE ON TUESDAY/TOMORROW. HOWEVER, THIS AGENDA IS NOT CURRENTLY POSTED AT THE PARLIAMENT SITE OOTW: http://parliament.iq/#
rocknrollbus: and, besides it costing them $10/barrel, don;t they have to pay something else out of that?
OOTW: THE LAST REPORT I READ STATED THAT REFINEMENT COSTS AVERAGED 1.00
OOTW: BUT THIS IS NOT ALL COSTS
rocknrollbus: Didn't I read somewhere the oil PTB's are saying $20/barrel by summer?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› the projections have been all over the map
Winnerdinar: ‹@rocknrollbus› if oil goes that low then that's more reason for dyversification
Winnerdinar: the middle east nations can no longer depend on oil alone
chattels: Parliament to raise its next Wednesday :: 2015/12/13 16:08 • Parliament to raise its next Wednesday [Baghdad-where] raise the House of Representatives today to its regular Wednesday Almqubl. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1Y8p9Jo
rocknrollbus: The $3.3 exchange rate is no longer used for any currency, although it has not been officially canceled
rocknrollbus: That's from ur post C..........was wondering wht they never canceled it?
rocknrollbus: *why
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› perhaps there was / is no need
chattels: we have the new Iraqi dinar anyway
rocknrollbus: http://ift.tt/1Ye35wT...
http://ift.tt/1Yufny4
rocknrollbus: Article about oil production costs
rocknrollbus: @C........that set price was back on the Saddam Dinar?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› yes
chattels: Never Mind $35, The World's Cheapest Oil Is Already Close to $20 December 14, 2015 — http://ift.tt/1U6AFjT...
http://ift.tt/1O4RsUf
BOBBY: Chattels. .... the rate posted under Saddam.... was that ever officially acknowledged world wide?
disciple7: XE 1101
chattels: Sadr's movement and the Kurdistan Alliance underline the need to strengthen political alliances and unify the visions and attitudes, and .......................
chattels: Maliki discuss with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan delegation the general situation in the country
chattels: Interesting that the Kurds are discussing alliance with faction opposed to one another
chattels: add ................................. Jubouri looking with a delegation from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan security and political situation in the country
Lauren305: ‹@chattels› so Maliki STILL acting as VP? despite being publicly disavowed, and not receiving a salary since August?
chattels: The only news source that refers to him as VP is his own office, but he seems to carry on in some capacity even if unofficial.
chattels: Some reports say he is still being paid, but his security detail seems to have been reduced in size.
chattels: I am still uncertain what the Iraqi supreme court ruling means.
chattels: Majida al-Tamimi: the families of martyrs will be given distinct pieces of land Monetary ..oard budget to a vote next Wednesday instead
chattels: indicating that " next year's budget will be submitted to a vote next Wednesday."
chattels: The House of Representatives ended its discussion of the budget next year in 22 of the last month to be voted on during the next few days and before the end of the first legislative term.
chattels: We shall see. chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye35wV
chattels: Deputy for the rule of law confirms that the defense minister was aware of the presence of Turkish troops by the same ministry sources chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cp
chattels: REMEMBER THAT AL-OBEDI IS A SUNNI. I SEE REPORTS SUCH AS THESE AS AN EFFORT BY SHIA / BADR TO DISCREDIT HIM. AMERI IS ONE OF THEM AND THEIR PREFERRED CHOICE FOR DEFENSE MINISTER. POLITICS !
chattels: To / all licensed banks and money transfer companies and exchange companies (stop processing the dollar) 12/14/2015 http://ift.tt/1J5blX2...
http://ift.tt/1lIcKLd
chattels: TRANSLATION - You wanted a translation on that pdf on the cbi announcement.. here it is - and it's referring to the corrupt ones only: The Central Bank conveys its warmest regards to you.
It has been resolved that the brokerage companies for the sale and purchase of foreign currency whose names are included below are suspended from being supplied foreign currency (dollars) whether directly or indirectly and they must not be dealt with in any manner whatsoever until further notice. Kind Regards, ....................
chattels: Companies: Baba Kirkir Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Tadmur Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Al Mumtaz Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Kirkuk Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency
chattels: " ................ it's referring to the corrupt ones only ............... "
chattels: Saudi Arabia constitute "an Islamic military alliance" to fight terrorism in Iraq and Syria :: 2015/12/15 7:51 • [Follow-up - where] a joint statement carried by the Saudi Press Agency said that Saudi Arabia on Tuesday announced the formation of an Islamic military alliance of 34 countries to fight terrorism.
The statement said "States contained decided named in this statement the formation of a military alliance to fight terrorism led by Saudi Arabia and is in the city of Riyadh establishment of joint operations for the coordination and support of military operations to fight terrorism center and to develop programs to support those efforts and mechanisms."
The statement list of Arab countries such as Egypt, Qatar and the UAE United Arab as well as Islamic countries such as Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan, Gulf and African countries.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1Ye34cr
OOTW: GOING BACK TO LAST SUMMER, THE GOI PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES STATING THAT MANY IRAQI POLITICIANS HAD CORRUPT DEALINGS VIA THE CURRENCY AUCTIONS
OOTW: CERTAINLY, THIS STATE RE THE AUCTIONS TOOK OFF DURING MALIKI'S REGIME
OOTW: IMHO THE CBI HAS TO ADDRESS THIS IN ORDER TO START SHOWING COMPLIANCE TOWARDS IMF POLICIES
rocknrollbus: I can get'em back in the banks.............turn the damned Dinar back on!!! bwaaaaahahahahahahaha
OOTW: IN PART, THEY NEED TO SHOW VISIBLE BANKING PRACTICES AND HOW CAN THEY DO THIS IF THE CBI IS ALLOWING THE PRIVATE BANKS, AND CURRENCY VENDORS TO FACILITATE CORRUPTION THROUGH THE AUCTIONS?
OOTW: SO NOW, THE CBI WANTS TO BE SEEN ADDRESSING CORRUPTION
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› It may be that too many influential and corrupted individuals are making money through the auctions
OOTW: THEY'RE DOING THIS (AGAIN, IN PART) THROUGH ANNOUNCEMENTS PUBLICIZED AT THE CBI SITE - TO NAME SPECIFIC BANKS WHICH ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AUCTION REGULATIONS
OOTW: INDEED CHATTELS
OOTW: ‹@rocknrollbus› ONE STEP AT A TIME
rocknrollbus: I was reading C's novel on the history of the Dinar, (which was great, btw) and it was stated the Dinar was still leagally?? set at $3.30?
chattels: One recent article stated that DAESH is realizing revenue of 25 million per month through the counterfeiting of invoices through the auction
rocknrollbus: yuuuuup.......read all that.
chattels: Iraq can say that the dinar is worth whatever they want, but it is the world market's valuation that matters, IMO
rocknrollbus: Soooooo.............wouldn't it behoove them to turn it back on at around $3?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› Who would accept such a value ?
rocknrollbus: I know they have plenty of assets to back it besides their reserves.
chattels: Until assets are liquidated then they have no value except maybe as collateral for a loan
rocknrollbus: I know the Feasibility Study said around $1.13 - $1.16?
chattels: I am the wrong person to be opining about any of this.
Stash: I will take that on a heart beat
OOTW: THIS JUST IN OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cm
OOTW: Tomorrow .. Showing 2016 budget vote
OOTW: THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY GOES BACK MANY YEARS AND POSTED AT THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING SITE
OOTW: THE CRITERIA FOR WHICH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS/ARE BASED UPON, ARE NOT THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES
rocknrollbus: so what are they placing a barrel of oil at for the 2016 budget?
OOTW: THEREFORE; I WOULD ADMONISH THAT PEOPLE PERFORM THEIR OWN RESEARCH ON SUCH STATISTICS
OOTW: AND CRITERIA
OOTW: WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION AFTER THEY PASS THE BUDGET
chattels: Supposedly Parliament does not convene until Wednesday, how will a vote be taken tomorrow ?
OOTW: AND WE WILL POST IT HERE AT WEALTHWATCH
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› $ 45 I think
OOTW: I POSTED AN ARTICLE FROM ALLIRAQ OVER THE WEEKEND THAT THEY WOULD BE HOLDING A VOTE ON TUESDAY/TOMORROW. HOWEVER, THIS AGENDA IS NOT CURRENTLY POSTED AT THE PARLIAMENT SITE OOTW: http://parliament.iq/#
rocknrollbus: and, besides it costing them $10/barrel, don;t they have to pay something else out of that?
OOTW: THE LAST REPORT I READ STATED THAT REFINEMENT COSTS AVERAGED 1.00
OOTW: BUT THIS IS NOT ALL COSTS
rocknrollbus: Didn't I read somewhere the oil PTB's are saying $20/barrel by summer?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› the projections have been all over the map
Winnerdinar: ‹@rocknrollbus› if oil goes that low then that's more reason for dyversification
Winnerdinar: the middle east nations can no longer depend on oil alone
chattels: Parliament to raise its next Wednesday :: 2015/12/13 16:08 • Parliament to raise its next Wednesday [Baghdad-where] raise the House of Representatives today to its regular Wednesday Almqubl. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1Y8p9Jo
rocknrollbus: The $3.3 exchange rate is no longer used for any currency, although it has not been officially canceled
rocknrollbus: That's from ur post C..........was wondering wht they never canceled it?
rocknrollbus: *why
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› perhaps there was / is no need
chattels: we have the new Iraqi dinar anyway
rocknrollbus: http://ift.tt/1Ye35wT...
http://ift.tt/1Yufny4
rocknrollbus: Article about oil production costs
rocknrollbus: @C........that set price was back on the Saddam Dinar?
chattels: ‹@rocknrollbus› yes
chattels: Never Mind $35, The World's Cheapest Oil Is Already Close to $20 December 14, 2015 — http://ift.tt/1U6AFjT...
http://ift.tt/1O4RsUf
BOBBY: Chattels. .... the rate posted under Saddam.... was that ever officially acknowledged world wide?
disciple7: XE 1101
chattels: Sadr's movement and the Kurdistan Alliance underline the need to strengthen political alliances and unify the visions and attitudes, and .......................
chattels: Maliki discuss with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan delegation the general situation in the country
chattels: Interesting that the Kurds are discussing alliance with faction opposed to one another
chattels: add ................................. Jubouri looking with a delegation from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan security and political situation in the country
Lauren305: ‹@chattels› so Maliki STILL acting as VP? despite being publicly disavowed, and not receiving a salary since August?
chattels: The only news source that refers to him as VP is his own office, but he seems to carry on in some capacity even if unofficial.
chattels: Some reports say he is still being paid, but his security detail seems to have been reduced in size.
chattels: I am still uncertain what the Iraqi supreme court ruling means.
chattels: Majida al-Tamimi: the families of martyrs will be given distinct pieces of land Monetary ..oard budget to a vote next Wednesday instead
chattels: indicating that " next year's budget will be submitted to a vote next Wednesday."
chattels: The House of Representatives ended its discussion of the budget next year in 22 of the last month to be voted on during the next few days and before the end of the first legislative term.
chattels: We shall see. chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye35wV
chattels: Deputy for the rule of law confirms that the defense minister was aware of the presence of Turkish troops by the same ministry sources chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cp
chattels: REMEMBER THAT AL-OBEDI IS A SUNNI. I SEE REPORTS SUCH AS THESE AS AN EFFORT BY SHIA / BADR TO DISCREDIT HIM. AMERI IS ONE OF THEM AND THEIR PREFERRED CHOICE FOR DEFENSE MINISTER. POLITICS !
chattels: To / all licensed banks and money transfer companies and exchange companies (stop processing the dollar) 12/14/2015 http://ift.tt/1J5blX2...
http://ift.tt/1lIcKLd
chattels: TRANSLATION - You wanted a translation on that pdf on the cbi announcement.. here it is - and it's referring to the corrupt ones only: The Central Bank conveys its warmest regards to you.
It has been resolved that the brokerage companies for the sale and purchase of foreign currency whose names are included below are suspended from being supplied foreign currency (dollars) whether directly or indirectly and they must not be dealt with in any manner whatsoever until further notice. Kind Regards, ....................
chattels: Companies: Baba Kirkir Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Tadmur Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Al Mumtaz Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency Kirkuk Brokerage Company for the Sale and Purchase of Foreign Currency
chattels: " ................ it's referring to the corrupt ones only ............... "
chattels: Saudi Arabia constitute "an Islamic military alliance" to fight terrorism in Iraq and Syria :: 2015/12/15 7:51 • [Follow-up - where] a joint statement carried by the Saudi Press Agency said that Saudi Arabia on Tuesday announced the formation of an Islamic military alliance of 34 countries to fight terrorism.
The statement said "States contained decided named in this statement the formation of a military alliance to fight terrorism led by Saudi Arabia and is in the city of Riyadh establishment of joint operations for the coordination and support of military operations to fight terrorism center and to develop programs to support those efforts and mechanisms."
The statement list of Arab countries such as Egypt, Qatar and the UAE United Arab as well as Islamic countries such as Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan, Gulf and African countries.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr... http://ift.tt/1Ye34cr
chattels: A member of the parliamentary Finance: pass the budget tomorrow and the deduction of salaries provides 1.5 trillion dinars :: 2015/12/15 8:05 • [Baghdad-where] most likely in the parliamentary finance committee member, the House vote in its meeting scheduled on Wednesday on the draft 2016 budget law.
Said Hossam punitive told all of Iraq [where] that "the budget may pass in tomorrow's meeting after the agreement on most of the material," adding that "there withholding is held will obtain all state employees and their allowances salaries as well as retirees by 3% to be 60% of this deduction to rally public and 40 % for the displaced. chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye35wZ
chattels: It is difficult to determine whether the vote being referenced is in the committee meeting or the Parliament. My belief is that it is the former.
chattels: Thread Modes Monday, December 14, 2015 - Security In Iraq, Dec. 1-7, 2015
chattels: Casualties are no longer a reliable measure for violence in Iraq because the authorities are censoring so much. That being said attacks have been going down consistently since the start of the year so the number of dead and wounded is declining as well.
There was also a heavy deployment of security forces at the start of December for the end of the Arbaeen ceremony, which also accounts for the extremely low figures for the week.
chattels: The Ramadi operation entered its fifth month. There was continued progress into the downtown area with the usual government obfuscation.
chattels: Baghdad continued to be the main target of IS terrorist attacks. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cx
chattels: Michael Knights @Mikeknightsiraq 14h14 hours ago Pretty clear signal here to Baghdad to keep their nose out of Kirkuk oil business http://ift.tt/1asgUh0... …
http://ift.tt/1Ye34sN
rocknrollbus: conservativetribune.com/r...
http://ift.tt/1m4FBJi
Said Hossam punitive told all of Iraq [where] that "the budget may pass in tomorrow's meeting after the agreement on most of the material," adding that "there withholding is held will obtain all state employees and their allowances salaries as well as retirees by 3% to be 60% of this deduction to rally public and 40 % for the displaced. chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye35wZ
chattels: It is difficult to determine whether the vote being referenced is in the committee meeting or the Parliament. My belief is that it is the former.
chattels: Thread Modes Monday, December 14, 2015 - Security In Iraq, Dec. 1-7, 2015
chattels: Casualties are no longer a reliable measure for violence in Iraq because the authorities are censoring so much. That being said attacks have been going down consistently since the start of the year so the number of dead and wounded is declining as well.
There was also a heavy deployment of security forces at the start of December for the end of the Arbaeen ceremony, which also accounts for the extremely low figures for the week.
chattels: The Ramadi operation entered its fifth month. There was continued progress into the downtown area with the usual government obfuscation.
chattels: Baghdad continued to be the main target of IS terrorist attacks. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1Ye34cx
chattels: Michael Knights @Mikeknightsiraq 14h14 hours ago Pretty clear signal here to Baghdad to keep their nose out of Kirkuk oil business http://ift.tt/1asgUh0... …
http://ift.tt/1Ye34sN
rocknrollbus: conservativetribune.com/r...
http://ift.tt/1m4FBJi
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