Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room Late Nite Early Morning 7-10-15
GJMAN: I don't remember where, but an international banker said they won't get a credit rating until they have released their currency into the international market, didn't say it necessarily means at a different rate, but it was implied, we will see
chattels: Your moment has come, Mr Tsipras, take back control of your country - UKIP leader Nigel Farage
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UcyJnRcGU&app=desktop
chattels: Crushing the Islamic State Militarily Comes First By DAVID ROMANO
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GJMAN: I don't remember where, but an international banker said they won't get a credit rating until they have released their currency into the international market, didn't say it necessarily means at a different rate, but it was implied, we will see
chattels: Your moment has come, Mr Tsipras, take back control of your country - UKIP leader Nigel Farage
chattels: m.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UcyJnRcGU&app=desktop
chattels: Crushing the Islamic State Militarily Comes First By DAVID ROMANO
chattels: http://ift.tt/1NAf9yX...
http://ift.tt/1frtPG1
chattels: Mr. Obama apparently thinks a different emphasis in the fight against ISIS is warranted: “This is not simply a military effort,” he said. “Ideologies are not defeated by guns. They're defeated with better ideas.”
He added that “In order for us to defeat terrorist groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda, we must discredit their ideology….This larger battle for hearts and minds is going to be a generational struggle.” Perhaps U.S. officials citing the right suras from the Quran will cause a revolutionary shift within ISIS?
chattels: Someone needs to remind the U.S. president that fascism in Europe was not defeated with a more convincing argument. On the contrary, the NAZIs and their ideological kin were crushed with military force.
After that task was complete, former fascists cast about for a new ideology. The likes of West Germany found liberal democracy and capitalism with generous financial aid in the form of the Marshall Plan.
East Germany and others found Soviet Communism (in many cases, such as Hungary and Czechoslovakia, Soviet tanks helped people find the new ideology). Some fifty years later, the Soviet Union collapsed not because of a more convincing argument, but rather due to the failure of its economy.
chattels: Iraqi private banks association announced that the Cabinet approve the anti-money laundering law will give confidence to the global private banks, stressing that banks will adhere to the law.
chattels: ......... and that the law would give "confidence global in foreign dealings with Iraqi banks."
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chattels: WASHINGTON DC - General Joseph Dunford, the nominee to serve as the next chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that he envisions Iraq breaking into two separate Kurdish and Shiite states, but was uncertain about a Sunni portion.
“From my perspective, I can imagine two states in Iraq,” Dunford said Thursday during exchanges with senators at his confirmation hearing in the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“I have difficulty imagining a third separate state, given the lack of resources that would be available for the Sunnis,” said Dunford.
chattels: “Frankly, I think from a pure economic and resources and governance perspective, the Shiites and Kurds are much more equipped to set up separate states than the Sunni would be,” Dunford said in response to questions put to him by senators.
chattels: Asked whether Kurdish forces are receiving US weapons delivered through Baghdad in a timely manner for the war against the Islamic State (ISIS) group, Dunford said his understanding is that the issue of weapons delays has been resolved. He said that, if confirmed in his position, he would follow up the issue personally.
“This issue is so important that I will look into it personally,” he said. “As the matter of fact I will go there (the Kurdistan region) and visit and will make my own personal assessment based on the facts on the ground,” he added.
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chattels: Is Maliki making a comeback? While serving his second term as prime minister in February 2011, former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told AFP he did not aspire to serve a third term.
He averred that “the premier who has a program, and is efficient, does not need more than eight years to effectively implement it. If this is not the case, why, then, give him more than eight years?” Read more: http://ift.tt/1U6ADse...
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chattels: Former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is being criticized for sowing sectarianism and using animosity among various Iraqi factions as a way to find a way back to power. Read more: http://ift.tt/1NYpu8x;
http://ift.tt/1gs2Z0A
http://ift.tt/1NYpu8z
chattels: Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) is pushing to control all oil sales from Kirkuk province – a further sign that a cooperative oil export and revenue sharing deal with Baghdad has disintegrated.The federal North Oil Company (NOC) is continuing to pump about 150,000 barrels per day (bpd) from Kirkuk fields into Kurdistan's autonomous pipeline to Turkey, according to both federal and KRG oil officials.
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chattels: The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) is moving forward with a plan to raise money for stalled infrastructure projects by issuing bonds. http://ift.tt/1NYpvcT...
chattels: if the KRG is planning a bond issuance then how strong a connection can there be between the Iraqi bond issuance and monetary reform ?
chattels: I wonder to myself
sczin11: ‹@chattels› IN BOTH CASES, SHORT TERM, IMMEDIATE LIQUIDITY, IS THE BASIS, IMHO
sczin11: MONETARY REFORM WILL NOT PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR ANYONE BUT US
sczin11: I SHOULD SAY COMPLETION OF MR...ABOVE
chattels: if i understand your point then i do not disagree, but my point, however shallow, is that the bond issuance may not say anything about our event
chattels: as i understand it a bond offering is a contractual undertaking and like any contract it may provide for the terms of return and the currency to be used, etc. ????
sczin11: ‹@chattels› AGREE... THE ONLY POSSIBLE SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COMPLETION OF MR W REGARDS TO BOND ISSUE, WOULD BE THE NECESSITY
sczin11: OF A CREDIT RATING
sczin11: WHICH IN TURN WILL LURE BIG DOLLARS INTO THE COUNTRY
chattels: so the statement that Iraq must have a internationally accepted / traded currency before there can be a bond issuance is fallacious ?
sczin11: AS A DIRECT CONNECTION, BOND ISSUANCE TO MR COMPLETION, IMHO, YOU ARE CORRECT, NO CONNECTION THERE
chattels: ‹@sczin11› thank you
chattels: ‹@sczin11› whoop - t - doooooooooooo :)
sczin11: ‹@chattels› THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED FIRST ISSUANCE WILL BE IN COUNTRY DINARS...SECOND WOULD BE GLOBAL, WITH CHOICES, DINARS OR DOLLARS...THAT IS THE TRANSLATION MANY ARE FOCUSING ON
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› I agree by holding the bond they mature with age b/c that's what bonds do and that's what the people buying them are counting on .
sczin11: HOW CAN A COMPANY IN ITALY BUY BONDS THAT WOULD BE REMITTED IN DOLLARS OR DINARS, WITHOUT INTL TRADEABLE/RECOGNIZED DINAR?
whitelions: it's like getting in on the ground floor of apple if I had the money I'd buy them
whitelions: what is untradeable about the dinar?
[08:03:41 AM] sczin11: ‹@whitelions› YES... THE MATURITY DATE IS PROBABLY MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ANY OTHER DATA W REGARDS TO THE BONDS
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› NOT MUCH IN REALITY, OTHER THAN LARGE EXOTIC CURRENCY CHANGER FEES
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i cannot exchange my dinar for dollars at the bank
sczin11: ‹@chattels› EXACTLY
whitelions: thats true but you can trade it at a currency dealer at any time
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› IT IS BASICALLY TREATED BY THEM AS COLLECTIBLES, AS OPPOSED TO A CURRENCY IN USE IN A COUNTRY
chattels: ‹@whitelions› which makes it a private transaction only and without a " par " value
whitelions: granted the trade rate is more at a dealer and the only reason well I should say the mane reson you can't tread them at the bank is they don't make ENOUGH money off them that and the gurus over the years calling it everyday forseing people to call the banks so not so nicely is why the banks don't sell it anymore I bought my first dinar from a bank
sczin11: ‹@chattels› ‹@whitelions› HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, IMHO....IF THE SECOND WAVE OF BOND ISSUANCE, AS THEY HAVE DESCRIBED , DOES IN FACT OCCUR TWO POINTS SHOULD BE REALIZED....
chattels: query ? is the son of Maliki recently mentioned in connection with sexual harrassment charge(s) different from the one connected with the funds in Jordan, or wherever ?
sczin11: THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WORLDWIDE WOULD RECOGNIZE THE IRAQI DINAR
sczin11: AND
whitelions: ‹@chattels› no same one
chattels: ‹@whitelions› ty
sczin11: THE CREDIT RATING SHOULD BE ISSUED BY THE THREE MAIN REPORTING AGENCIES
sczin11: THE FIRST WAVE IN COUNTRY, IMHO, DOES NOT REQUIRE OR IMPLY THE COMPLETION OF THE ABOVE TWO POINTS
chattels: ‹@sczin11› i should have copyrighted my " Godspeed " phrase about banking sector reform in Iraq so i could sue the " three letter buffoon "
whitelions: lol
chattels: Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"— Isaiah 6:8
chattels: once more into the breach
chattels: i am off to make my corner of the world a better place, i hope and pray
sczin11: Parliamentary oil propose a joint meeting of the governments in Baghdad and Erbil to activate the "oil agreement" and welcomes Kurdistan
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chattels: Godspeed the completion of the Iraqi banking sector reform project.
He added that “In order for us to defeat terrorist groups like ISIL and al-Qaeda, we must discredit their ideology….This larger battle for hearts and minds is going to be a generational struggle.” Perhaps U.S. officials citing the right suras from the Quran will cause a revolutionary shift within ISIS?
chattels: Someone needs to remind the U.S. president that fascism in Europe was not defeated with a more convincing argument. On the contrary, the NAZIs and their ideological kin were crushed with military force.
After that task was complete, former fascists cast about for a new ideology. The likes of West Germany found liberal democracy and capitalism with generous financial aid in the form of the Marshall Plan.
East Germany and others found Soviet Communism (in many cases, such as Hungary and Czechoslovakia, Soviet tanks helped people find the new ideology). Some fifty years later, the Soviet Union collapsed not because of a more convincing argument, but rather due to the failure of its economy.
chattels: Iraqi private banks association announced that the Cabinet approve the anti-money laundering law will give confidence to the global private banks, stressing that banks will adhere to the law.
chattels: ......... and that the law would give "confidence global in foreign dealings with Iraqi banks."
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1gs2WC1
chattels: WASHINGTON DC - General Joseph Dunford, the nominee to serve as the next chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that he envisions Iraq breaking into two separate Kurdish and Shiite states, but was uncertain about a Sunni portion.
“From my perspective, I can imagine two states in Iraq,” Dunford said Thursday during exchanges with senators at his confirmation hearing in the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“I have difficulty imagining a third separate state, given the lack of resources that would be available for the Sunnis,” said Dunford.
chattels: “Frankly, I think from a pure economic and resources and governance perspective, the Shiites and Kurds are much more equipped to set up separate states than the Sunni would be,” Dunford said in response to questions put to him by senators.
chattels: Asked whether Kurdish forces are receiving US weapons delivered through Baghdad in a timely manner for the war against the Islamic State (ISIS) group, Dunford said his understanding is that the issue of weapons delays has been resolved. He said that, if confirmed in his position, he would follow up the issue personally.
“This issue is so important that I will look into it personally,” he said. “As the matter of fact I will go there (the Kurdistan region) and visit and will make my own personal assessment based on the facts on the ground,” he added.
chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1NYptSj
chattels: Is Maliki making a comeback? While serving his second term as prime minister in February 2011, former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told AFP he did not aspire to serve a third term.
He averred that “the premier who has a program, and is efficient, does not need more than eight years to effectively implement it. If this is not the case, why, then, give him more than eight years?” Read more: http://ift.tt/1U6ADse...
http://ift.tt/1gs2W5c
chattels: Former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is being criticized for sowing sectarianism and using animosity among various Iraqi factions as a way to find a way back to power. Read more: http://ift.tt/1NYpu8x;
http://ift.tt/1gs2Z0A
http://ift.tt/1NYpu8z
chattels: Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) is pushing to control all oil sales from Kirkuk province – a further sign that a cooperative oil export and revenue sharing deal with Baghdad has disintegrated.The federal North Oil Company (NOC) is continuing to pump about 150,000 barrels per day (bpd) from Kirkuk fields into Kurdistan's autonomous pipeline to Turkey, according to both federal and KRG oil officials.
http://ift.tt/1gs2Z0C
chattels: The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) is moving forward with a plan to raise money for stalled infrastructure projects by issuing bonds. http://ift.tt/1NYpvcT...
chattels: if the KRG is planning a bond issuance then how strong a connection can there be between the Iraqi bond issuance and monetary reform ?
chattels: I wonder to myself
sczin11: ‹@chattels› IN BOTH CASES, SHORT TERM, IMMEDIATE LIQUIDITY, IS THE BASIS, IMHO
sczin11: MONETARY REFORM WILL NOT PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR ANYONE BUT US
sczin11: I SHOULD SAY COMPLETION OF MR...ABOVE
chattels: if i understand your point then i do not disagree, but my point, however shallow, is that the bond issuance may not say anything about our event
chattels: as i understand it a bond offering is a contractual undertaking and like any contract it may provide for the terms of return and the currency to be used, etc. ????
sczin11: ‹@chattels› AGREE... THE ONLY POSSIBLE SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COMPLETION OF MR W REGARDS TO BOND ISSUE, WOULD BE THE NECESSITY
sczin11: OF A CREDIT RATING
sczin11: WHICH IN TURN WILL LURE BIG DOLLARS INTO THE COUNTRY
chattels: so the statement that Iraq must have a internationally accepted / traded currency before there can be a bond issuance is fallacious ?
sczin11: AS A DIRECT CONNECTION, BOND ISSUANCE TO MR COMPLETION, IMHO, YOU ARE CORRECT, NO CONNECTION THERE
chattels: ‹@sczin11› thank you
chattels: ‹@sczin11› whoop - t - doooooooooooo :)
sczin11: ‹@chattels› THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED FIRST ISSUANCE WILL BE IN COUNTRY DINARS...SECOND WOULD BE GLOBAL, WITH CHOICES, DINARS OR DOLLARS...THAT IS THE TRANSLATION MANY ARE FOCUSING ON
whitelions: ‹@sczin11› I agree by holding the bond they mature with age b/c that's what bonds do and that's what the people buying them are counting on .
sczin11: HOW CAN A COMPANY IN ITALY BUY BONDS THAT WOULD BE REMITTED IN DOLLARS OR DINARS, WITHOUT INTL TRADEABLE/RECOGNIZED DINAR?
whitelions: it's like getting in on the ground floor of apple if I had the money I'd buy them
whitelions: what is untradeable about the dinar?
[08:03:41 AM] sczin11: ‹@whitelions› YES... THE MATURITY DATE IS PROBABLY MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ANY OTHER DATA W REGARDS TO THE BONDS
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› NOT MUCH IN REALITY, OTHER THAN LARGE EXOTIC CURRENCY CHANGER FEES
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i cannot exchange my dinar for dollars at the bank
sczin11: ‹@chattels› EXACTLY
whitelions: thats true but you can trade it at a currency dealer at any time
sczin11: ‹@whitelions› IT IS BASICALLY TREATED BY THEM AS COLLECTIBLES, AS OPPOSED TO A CURRENCY IN USE IN A COUNTRY
chattels: ‹@whitelions› which makes it a private transaction only and without a " par " value
whitelions: granted the trade rate is more at a dealer and the only reason well I should say the mane reson you can't tread them at the bank is they don't make ENOUGH money off them that and the gurus over the years calling it everyday forseing people to call the banks so not so nicely is why the banks don't sell it anymore I bought my first dinar from a bank
sczin11: ‹@chattels› ‹@whitelions› HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, IMHO....IF THE SECOND WAVE OF BOND ISSUANCE, AS THEY HAVE DESCRIBED , DOES IN FACT OCCUR TWO POINTS SHOULD BE REALIZED....
chattels: query ? is the son of Maliki recently mentioned in connection with sexual harrassment charge(s) different from the one connected with the funds in Jordan, or wherever ?
sczin11: THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WORLDWIDE WOULD RECOGNIZE THE IRAQI DINAR
sczin11: AND
whitelions: ‹@chattels› no same one
chattels: ‹@whitelions› ty
sczin11: THE CREDIT RATING SHOULD BE ISSUED BY THE THREE MAIN REPORTING AGENCIES
sczin11: THE FIRST WAVE IN COUNTRY, IMHO, DOES NOT REQUIRE OR IMPLY THE COMPLETION OF THE ABOVE TWO POINTS
chattels: ‹@sczin11› i should have copyrighted my " Godspeed " phrase about banking sector reform in Iraq so i could sue the " three letter buffoon "
whitelions: lol
chattels: Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"— Isaiah 6:8
chattels: once more into the breach
chattels: i am off to make my corner of the world a better place, i hope and pray
sczin11: Parliamentary oil propose a joint meeting of the governments in Baghdad and Erbil to activate the "oil agreement" and welcomes Kurdistan
sczin11: READ MORE wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1gs2Z0F
chattels: Godspeed the completion of the Iraqi banking sector reform project.
chattels: ' ......... a joint meeting of the governments in Baghdad and Erbil to activate the "oil agreement" ......... ' as a heading / title is deceiving as to the content it appears to me
chattels: one could say and argue that there is no good purpose in a new agreement with Baghdad as they never honor agreements anyway
chattels: from the Kurdish perspective it may be that they are continuing giving Baghdad more rope to hang themselves in the court of international opinion
chattels: continually *
chattels: which seems to be working in that increasingly there is international interest ( acceptance ) in / of an independent Kurdistan
chattels: the news chairman of the joint chiefs made some interesting remarks regarding such in the news today
whitelions: ‹@chattels› lol it usually is I have noticed over the years that the iraq news is in competition with what we call our news rags like the inquirer , the more eye catching the head line the more people will by and read them Maliki's paper is really good at it
chattels: Nominated top US general says he can imagine a Kurdish state in Iraq By Yerevan Saeed
chattels: http://ift.tt/1Ny5Ort...
http://ift.tt/1RnCyKg
chattels: ‹@whitelions› very true i think - the news in / out of Iraq is often polar extremes depending upon the political persuasion of the speaker
chattels: the truth as they say is somewhere in between, eh ?
chattels: my personal bias favors all things Kurdish
whitelions: thats why you have to read more than one article on the same subject to get the whole picture and you have to read more than just ecom. or gov. to see what is going on
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i agree :)
whitelions: ‹@chattels› I don't have any personal bias unless you take into account that Maliki is on the same footing as Sudom , as far as killing people because he does not like them and wanting to be a dictator
chattels: i confess that i am a Kurd sympathizer
chattels: everyone should acknowledge their limitations and inclinations, IMO
whitelions: I think it will be the kurds that will bring the country out of this quagmire there in
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i have oft stated that my sense is that our venture will stand or fall upon the Kurds
chattels: however biased or naive such a statement may be
whitelions: but for them fighting for equal rights iraq would be as lopsided in power as if they where still under a dictatorship
chattels: ‹@whitelions› largely so although some credit needs to be assigned to the good religious influences
whitelions: and yet they hold 80 % of the wealth of the country and not just oil but minerals fertile land vital ports
chattels: ‹@whitelions› I am thinking of Sistani here
chattels: bbl
whitelions: ‹@chattels› your right religion holds a big part in the snails pace but it has also made leaps and bounds in the past few months
chattels: one could say and argue that there is no good purpose in a new agreement with Baghdad as they never honor agreements anyway
chattels: from the Kurdish perspective it may be that they are continuing giving Baghdad more rope to hang themselves in the court of international opinion
chattels: continually *
chattels: which seems to be working in that increasingly there is international interest ( acceptance ) in / of an independent Kurdistan
chattels: the news chairman of the joint chiefs made some interesting remarks regarding such in the news today
whitelions: ‹@chattels› lol it usually is I have noticed over the years that the iraq news is in competition with what we call our news rags like the inquirer , the more eye catching the head line the more people will by and read them Maliki's paper is really good at it
chattels: Nominated top US general says he can imagine a Kurdish state in Iraq By Yerevan Saeed
chattels: http://ift.tt/1Ny5Ort...
http://ift.tt/1RnCyKg
chattels: ‹@whitelions› very true i think - the news in / out of Iraq is often polar extremes depending upon the political persuasion of the speaker
chattels: the truth as they say is somewhere in between, eh ?
chattels: my personal bias favors all things Kurdish
whitelions: thats why you have to read more than one article on the same subject to get the whole picture and you have to read more than just ecom. or gov. to see what is going on
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i agree :)
whitelions: ‹@chattels› I don't have any personal bias unless you take into account that Maliki is on the same footing as Sudom , as far as killing people because he does not like them and wanting to be a dictator
chattels: i confess that i am a Kurd sympathizer
chattels: everyone should acknowledge their limitations and inclinations, IMO
whitelions: I think it will be the kurds that will bring the country out of this quagmire there in
chattels: ‹@whitelions› i have oft stated that my sense is that our venture will stand or fall upon the Kurds
chattels: however biased or naive such a statement may be
whitelions: but for them fighting for equal rights iraq would be as lopsided in power as if they where still under a dictatorship
chattels: ‹@whitelions› largely so although some credit needs to be assigned to the good religious influences
whitelions: and yet they hold 80 % of the wealth of the country and not just oil but minerals fertile land vital ports
chattels: ‹@whitelions› I am thinking of Sistani here
chattels: bbl
whitelions: ‹@chattels› your right religion holds a big part in the snails pace but it has also made leaps and bounds in the past few months
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