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Wealthwatch Late Night Butifldrm Chat 9-28-15 Part 2 of 2
Butifldrm: I doubt anyone could have enough rapore with Erdogan, I am not sure but I do believe this situation has a lot to do with Barzani's predicament.
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have been following the Presidency issue in the KRG
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› and....? :smile:
Butifldrm: do tell
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› close to resolution from the last report
Butifldrm: Yes that is what I have read too
Butifldrm: and that Barzani will have another two years
chattels: But there are " cracks " in the Kurds political factions
Butifldrm: yes
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Wealthwatch Late Night Butifldrm Chat 9-28-15 Part 2 of 2
Butifldrm: I doubt anyone could have enough rapore with Erdogan, I am not sure but I do believe this situation has a lot to do with Barzani's predicament.
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I have been following the Presidency issue in the KRG
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› and....? :smile:
Butifldrm: do tell
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› close to resolution from the last report
Butifldrm: Yes that is what I have read too
Butifldrm: and that Barzani will have another two years
chattels: But there are " cracks " in the Kurds political factions
Butifldrm: yes
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chattels: Is Iraqi Kurdistan splitting apart ... again? http://ift.tt/1U6ADse...
http://ift.tt/1KzPHJT
Butifldrm: All I can say is the poor Kurds... not only are they the main opposition for ISIS in Iraq, but they are getting bombed by Turkey. What the Heck?
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I believe Talibani was the glue that kept the Kurds and Iraq together
Butifldrm: Masuum does not seem to be able to negotiate as did Talibani
chattels: The blatant violations of sovereignty with the Turkish bombings of the PKK have their roots in the permissive Maliki years and the complicated economics and politics between Turkey and the KRG
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› they have the same constitutional mandate
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yes I do agree, but even under Abdi Iraq has not protected the Kurds
chattels: Masum and Talabani
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Abadi is no stranger to the games Maliki governments played with the Kurds
Oneness: and ... on another note ... about nationalism ... In a more recent work published by the Cambridge University Press, entitled, "The Wider Aspects of Education," which contains papers by Dr. G. P. Gooch, he as a historian called the doctrine of the unfettered sovereignty of the individual state as 'the curse of the modern world.''
He said in part, "For a thousand years roughly from St. Augustine to Machiavelli, from the fifth century to the fifteenth, the conception of the unity of civilization dominated
chattels: Abadi was a part of it chattels: OIl and Finance Committees
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Talibani, I think had more support from the Kurds, now I do take into consideration his reign was under different circumstances...ie ISIS
Butifldrm: sorry from both parties of the Kurds
Oneness: In a more recent work published by the Cambridge University Press, entitled, "The Wider Aspects of Education," which contains papers by Dr. G. P. Gooch, he as a historian called the doctrine of the unfettered sovereignty of the individual state as 'the curse of the modern world.''
He said in part, "For a thousand years roughly from St. Augustine to Machiavelli, from the fifth century to the fifteenth, the conception of the unity of civilization dominated
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Talabani and Barzani fought a civil war between them in the "90's as you know
Oneness: It was only about 400 years ago, when the great political thinker Machiavelli taught the conception of the sovereignty of the State, making every State supreme, responsible only to itself, without any obligations to other States, without any obligations to the community of mankind, and without paying any more than lip homage either to a divine ruler of mankind
Oneness: What Machiavelli began was continued by men like Hobbes in England and Hegel in Germany, and it has become something like an established principle of statesmen and of publicists in every country in the world.
chattels: Saddam helped Barzani and Iran helped Talabani
chattels: The peshmarga to this day has divided loyalties with party affiliations
Oneness: For the last four centuries therefore there has been a struggle going on for the soul of man between the doctrine of world-citizenship and the newer doctrine of purely secular and national politics."
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I know but I do believe they came to a truce in the end
Butifldrm: for the sovereignty of Iraq
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› there was a reconciliation in 2006
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yes, and so sad Maliki had t be at the helm
[09/28/2015 10:08:33 PM] chattels: but the tensions and competition for power is not deep under the surface
Butifldrm: because I do believe we would not be sitting here talking about this :smile: If Abadi had been in charge
chattels: the Kurds are not choir boys when it comes to nepotism, corruption and the like :)
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Politics is the main industry in Iraq... are you kidding
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Possibly, but sometimes the dynamics of nation building require brinksmanship and civil strife
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I know that.. from what I have read..Baghdad had about 80% corruption and the Kurds were about 20%
Butifldrm: So therefore the Kurds economically advanced at a much greater pace aand IMO that also contributes to the fact the Kurds want to seperate
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› certainly the Kurds have functioned better as a government
chattels: agreed
Butifldrm: seriously
Butifldrm: Maliki 312 Billion and the GOI couldn't pay the Oil companies nor the Kurdish government?
Butifldrm: now Abadi's left with this mess
Butifldrm: Maliki needs to hang
chattels: 855 billion in aggregate budget from the Maliki years
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I doubt that Iran will allow such
Butifldrm: Yea. How sad that while oil was 100 plus dollars a barrel, Maliki was in charge
chattels: and little diversification
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› sadly I'm sure a lot of the list reserves went to Iran under economic sanctions
Butifldrm: Lost
chattels: Iraq has historically run a deficit of about 25 billion yearly though
chattels: at least on paper
Butifldrm: Yea and we know why
Butifldrm: Corruption
chattels: Interesting factoid that the Iraqi budget is about the size of the State of California
Butifldrm: It all caught up to them when Mosul fell
Butifldrm: Yes or Texad
Butifldrm: Texas
chattels: Hardly an economy that is going to change the world, eh ?
Butifldrm: Lol Butifldrm: http://ift.tt/1iYUkEx...
http://ift.tt/1LZoXk2
Butifldrm: 112 B
Oneness: but .... unity in diversity ... when the mideast makes peace withitself
Butifldrm: Excuse me 110. I think Iraq budget 2014 was 112
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› about 125 i think
Butifldrm: Maybe so
Butifldrm: Today they will be lucky to get a 70b budget
Butifldrm: Maliki did nothing to diversify the economy
chattels: http://ift.tt/1iYUlIM...
http://ift.tt/1iYUkEB
chattels: Iraq did not pass a budget in 2014
chattels: http://ift.tt/1gqRoyD...
http://ift.tt/1KW6VEk
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I remeber now
chattels: Iraqi Cabinet approves $105 billion budget for 2015
Butifldrm: Nujafi's demise
chattels: http://ift.tt/1IRI51q...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlIO
chattels: A government spokesman says Iraq’s Cabinet has approved next year’s budget, sending it to parliament for final approval. Spokesman Rafid Jabouri said Tuesday that the 2015 budget of 123 trillion Iraqi dinars ($105.48 billion) will run with a deficit of 23 trillion dinars ($19.72 billion).
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› that's at $45 dollars a barrel
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› austerity budget
chattels: the 2015 budget deficit will be greater than 23 trillion
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› It may not be to austere if they did not have the corruption they have
Butifldrm: I rmember budget at 70B for iraq
chattels: they need $ 100 / barrel to balance their budget I have read
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› probably in 2007
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› in 2009 check this out
Butifldrm: While Iraq is far calmer than it was even a year ago, violence is still a daily trauma in parts of the country. A car bomb on Thursday in Babil Province, just south of Baghdad, killed 15 people and injured 36 others, the provincial health department's director said.
The government will absorb cuts of a little more than 7 percent, about $4.2 billion, which brings Iraq's 2009 budget down to $58.6 billion, according to the legislation the Parliament approved Thursday.
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chattels: wow chattels: you were correct about the 2015 budget - 105 billion dollars
Butifldrm: Isis is kicking their butts financially
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea
chattels: bleeding the reserves
Butifldrm: that's the true only difference compared to the past years
Butifldrm: yes
chattels: add the social costs to the martyred, CBI subsidies, etc
Butifldrm: yea, well somehow I think they may get some of those reserves back
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› perhaps
Butifldrm: I'm talking money laundering
Butifldrm: for the past few years the majority of transactions were electronic
Butifldrm: that would be much easier to track
Butifldrm: remittences
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› they need a stronger judiciary to accomplish some of the recovery effort
chattels: don't you think ?
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Yes of course
Butifldrm: it appears that the corrupt will be tried in special courts
Butifldrm: Abadi, and the clerics are putting major pressure on
Butifldrm: supposedly there was an assassination attempt on Abadi in which he denies, but I did hear it on Fox Business news today
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› it was great chatting with you, we need to do this more often. I just want to say good night everyone and sweet dreams
Butifldrm: I'm exhausted and headed to bed Butifldrm: night night
chattels: (IraqiNews.com) The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency said, that the number of foreign fighters who went to Syria and Iraq to fight with the ISIS has reached more than 30,000 fighters.
The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), according to the “New York Times,” announced that: “About 30,000 terrorists have went to Syria and Iraq since 2011,”
noting that, “The number of terrorists who hold U.S. citizenship amounted to 250 fighters.” According to intelligence reports, the foreign fighters are belonging to more than 100 countries.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
http://ift.tt/1LZoVbO
chattels: (IraqiNews.com) Dohuk – Media official of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in Mosul Saeed Mamouzini revealed on Monday, that ISIS has prevented all types of gatherings in Mosul.
Mamouzini said in an interview for IraqiNews.com, “ISIS in Mosul prevented the gathering of citizens in public places, as well as preventing them from talking on life issues,” noting that, “ISIS decision has prevented the gathering of more than three people together.”
He added, “ISIS’s decision comes in anticipation of the outbreak of mass uprising against it,” explaining that “the organization is trying through these practices to spread division and fear among the citizens to be able to control the situation.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlZ6
chattels: Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi (IraqiNews.com) Baghdad – Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced on Monday, that the government has succeeded in reducing its expenses to the maximum extent, noting that the political system has to be an example to others through reforms that reduce the gap between the salaries, calling on citizens to cooperate in the detection of corruption.
Abadi said in a speech before heading to New York to participate in the meeting of the United Nations, “the government has succeeded in reducing its expenses to the maximum extent possible,”
noting that “the reforms reduced the gap between the citizens and officials, by reviewing the salaries of state employees.” He also added that “the political system has to be an example to others,” noting “the importance of improving the aspects of economy.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1HJ8K4q...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlZ9
chattels: Embassy of the United States in Baghdad. File photo. (IraqiNews.com) A source in the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said on Monday, that the U.S. had appointed a U.S. military spokesman for the military operations against ISIS in Iraq.
The source told IraqiNews.com, “The U.S. administration appointed Colonel Steve Warren, three weeks ago, as the military spokesman for America on the ongoing military operations against ISIS in Iraq,”
noting that, “Colonel Warren arrived in Baghdad a week ago.” The source, who requested to remain anonymous, added, “Colonel Warren’s first press conference will be held next Thursday at the headquarters of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
http://ift.tt/1LZoVbP
http://ift.tt/1KzPHJT
Butifldrm: All I can say is the poor Kurds... not only are they the main opposition for ISIS in Iraq, but they are getting bombed by Turkey. What the Heck?
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I believe Talibani was the glue that kept the Kurds and Iraq together
Butifldrm: Masuum does not seem to be able to negotiate as did Talibani
chattels: The blatant violations of sovereignty with the Turkish bombings of the PKK have their roots in the permissive Maliki years and the complicated economics and politics between Turkey and the KRG
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› they have the same constitutional mandate
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yes I do agree, but even under Abdi Iraq has not protected the Kurds
chattels: Masum and Talabani
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Abadi is no stranger to the games Maliki governments played with the Kurds
Oneness: and ... on another note ... about nationalism ... In a more recent work published by the Cambridge University Press, entitled, "The Wider Aspects of Education," which contains papers by Dr. G. P. Gooch, he as a historian called the doctrine of the unfettered sovereignty of the individual state as 'the curse of the modern world.''
He said in part, "For a thousand years roughly from St. Augustine to Machiavelli, from the fifth century to the fifteenth, the conception of the unity of civilization dominated
chattels: Abadi was a part of it chattels: OIl and Finance Committees
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Talibani, I think had more support from the Kurds, now I do take into consideration his reign was under different circumstances...ie ISIS
Butifldrm: sorry from both parties of the Kurds
Oneness: In a more recent work published by the Cambridge University Press, entitled, "The Wider Aspects of Education," which contains papers by Dr. G. P. Gooch, he as a historian called the doctrine of the unfettered sovereignty of the individual state as 'the curse of the modern world.''
He said in part, "For a thousand years roughly from St. Augustine to Machiavelli, from the fifth century to the fifteenth, the conception of the unity of civilization dominated
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Talabani and Barzani fought a civil war between them in the "90's as you know
Oneness: It was only about 400 years ago, when the great political thinker Machiavelli taught the conception of the sovereignty of the State, making every State supreme, responsible only to itself, without any obligations to other States, without any obligations to the community of mankind, and without paying any more than lip homage either to a divine ruler of mankind
Oneness: What Machiavelli began was continued by men like Hobbes in England and Hegel in Germany, and it has become something like an established principle of statesmen and of publicists in every country in the world.
chattels: Saddam helped Barzani and Iran helped Talabani
chattels: The peshmarga to this day has divided loyalties with party affiliations
Oneness: For the last four centuries therefore there has been a struggle going on for the soul of man between the doctrine of world-citizenship and the newer doctrine of purely secular and national politics."
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I know but I do believe they came to a truce in the end
Butifldrm: for the sovereignty of Iraq
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› there was a reconciliation in 2006
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yes, and so sad Maliki had t be at the helm
[09/28/2015 10:08:33 PM] chattels: but the tensions and competition for power is not deep under the surface
Butifldrm: because I do believe we would not be sitting here talking about this :smile: If Abadi had been in charge
chattels: the Kurds are not choir boys when it comes to nepotism, corruption and the like :)
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Politics is the main industry in Iraq... are you kidding
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Possibly, but sometimes the dynamics of nation building require brinksmanship and civil strife
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I know that.. from what I have read..Baghdad had about 80% corruption and the Kurds were about 20%
Butifldrm: So therefore the Kurds economically advanced at a much greater pace aand IMO that also contributes to the fact the Kurds want to seperate
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› certainly the Kurds have functioned better as a government
chattels: agreed
Butifldrm: seriously
Butifldrm: Maliki 312 Billion and the GOI couldn't pay the Oil companies nor the Kurdish government?
Butifldrm: now Abadi's left with this mess
Butifldrm: Maliki needs to hang
chattels: 855 billion in aggregate budget from the Maliki years
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I doubt that Iran will allow such
Butifldrm: Yea. How sad that while oil was 100 plus dollars a barrel, Maliki was in charge
chattels: and little diversification
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› sadly I'm sure a lot of the list reserves went to Iran under economic sanctions
Butifldrm: Lost
chattels: Iraq has historically run a deficit of about 25 billion yearly though
chattels: at least on paper
Butifldrm: Yea and we know why
Butifldrm: Corruption
chattels: Interesting factoid that the Iraqi budget is about the size of the State of California
Butifldrm: It all caught up to them when Mosul fell
Butifldrm: Yes or Texad
Butifldrm: Texas
chattels: Hardly an economy that is going to change the world, eh ?
Butifldrm: Lol Butifldrm: http://ift.tt/1iYUkEx...
http://ift.tt/1LZoXk2
Butifldrm: 112 B
Oneness: but .... unity in diversity ... when the mideast makes peace withitself
Butifldrm: Excuse me 110. I think Iraq budget 2014 was 112
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› about 125 i think
Butifldrm: Maybe so
Butifldrm: Today they will be lucky to get a 70b budget
Butifldrm: Maliki did nothing to diversify the economy
chattels: http://ift.tt/1iYUlIM...
http://ift.tt/1iYUkEB
chattels: Iraq did not pass a budget in 2014
chattels: http://ift.tt/1gqRoyD...
http://ift.tt/1KW6VEk
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I remeber now
chattels: Iraqi Cabinet approves $105 billion budget for 2015
Butifldrm: Nujafi's demise
chattels: http://ift.tt/1IRI51q...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlIO
chattels: A government spokesman says Iraq’s Cabinet has approved next year’s budget, sending it to parliament for final approval. Spokesman Rafid Jabouri said Tuesday that the 2015 budget of 123 trillion Iraqi dinars ($105.48 billion) will run with a deficit of 23 trillion dinars ($19.72 billion).
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› that's at $45 dollars a barrel
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› austerity budget
chattels: the 2015 budget deficit will be greater than 23 trillion
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› It may not be to austere if they did not have the corruption they have
Butifldrm: I rmember budget at 70B for iraq
chattels: they need $ 100 / barrel to balance their budget I have read
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› probably in 2007
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› in 2009 check this out
Butifldrm: While Iraq is far calmer than it was even a year ago, violence is still a daily trauma in parts of the country. A car bomb on Thursday in Babil Province, just south of Baghdad, killed 15 people and injured 36 others, the provincial health department's director said.
The government will absorb cuts of a little more than 7 percent, about $4.2 billion, which brings Iraq's 2009 budget down to $58.6 billion, according to the legislation the Parliament approved Thursday.
Butifldrm: http://ift.tt/1iYUkEF...
http://ift.tt/1LZoXAm
chattels: wow chattels: you were correct about the 2015 budget - 105 billion dollars
Butifldrm: Isis is kicking their butts financially
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea
chattels: bleeding the reserves
Butifldrm: that's the true only difference compared to the past years
Butifldrm: yes
chattels: add the social costs to the martyred, CBI subsidies, etc
Butifldrm: yea, well somehow I think they may get some of those reserves back
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› perhaps
Butifldrm: I'm talking money laundering
Butifldrm: for the past few years the majority of transactions were electronic
Butifldrm: that would be much easier to track
Butifldrm: remittences
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› they need a stronger judiciary to accomplish some of the recovery effort
chattels: don't you think ?
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Yes of course
Butifldrm: it appears that the corrupt will be tried in special courts
Butifldrm: Abadi, and the clerics are putting major pressure on
Butifldrm: supposedly there was an assassination attempt on Abadi in which he denies, but I did hear it on Fox Business news today
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› it was great chatting with you, we need to do this more often. I just want to say good night everyone and sweet dreams
Butifldrm: I'm exhausted and headed to bed Butifldrm: night night
chattels: (IraqiNews.com) The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency said, that the number of foreign fighters who went to Syria and Iraq to fight with the ISIS has reached more than 30,000 fighters.
The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), according to the “New York Times,” announced that: “About 30,000 terrorists have went to Syria and Iraq since 2011,”
noting that, “The number of terrorists who hold U.S. citizenship amounted to 250 fighters.” According to intelligence reports, the foreign fighters are belonging to more than 100 countries.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
http://ift.tt/1LZoVbO
chattels: (IraqiNews.com) Dohuk – Media official of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in Mosul Saeed Mamouzini revealed on Monday, that ISIS has prevented all types of gatherings in Mosul.
Mamouzini said in an interview for IraqiNews.com, “ISIS in Mosul prevented the gathering of citizens in public places, as well as preventing them from talking on life issues,” noting that, “ISIS decision has prevented the gathering of more than three people together.”
He added, “ISIS’s decision comes in anticipation of the outbreak of mass uprising against it,” explaining that “the organization is trying through these practices to spread division and fear among the citizens to be able to control the situation.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlZ6
chattels: Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi (IraqiNews.com) Baghdad – Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced on Monday, that the government has succeeded in reducing its expenses to the maximum extent, noting that the political system has to be an example to others through reforms that reduce the gap between the salaries, calling on citizens to cooperate in the detection of corruption.
Abadi said in a speech before heading to New York to participate in the meeting of the United Nations, “the government has succeeded in reducing its expenses to the maximum extent possible,”
noting that “the reforms reduced the gap between the citizens and officials, by reviewing the salaries of state employees.” He also added that “the political system has to be an example to others,” noting “the importance of improving the aspects of economy.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1HJ8K4q...
http://ift.tt/1iYUlZ9
chattels: Embassy of the United States in Baghdad. File photo. (IraqiNews.com) A source in the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said on Monday, that the U.S. had appointed a U.S. military spokesman for the military operations against ISIS in Iraq.
The source told IraqiNews.com, “The U.S. administration appointed Colonel Steve Warren, three weeks ago, as the military spokesman for America on the ongoing military operations against ISIS in Iraq,”
noting that, “Colonel Warren arrived in Baghdad a week ago.” The source, who requested to remain anonymous, added, “Colonel Warren’s first press conference will be held next Thursday at the headquarters of the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.” chattels: http://ift.tt/1gmvlbZ...
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