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Wealthwatch Butifldrm Evening Chat 11-14-15 Part 1 of 2
chattels: good afternoon all
chattels: The Council resumed debate on the draft of the amnesty law and submitted by the legal committees and human rights. In the interventions of the House of Representatives on the bill, expressed MP Hamdiya Husseini support for the demands of the legal committee in Parliament to reduce the exceptions contained in the draft law.
He called Abdul Kahar Samurai to amend the law's name and Add expression redress the oppressed who did not prove their right to any condemnation in addition to an apology to them and compensate them. I suggest MP Hassan Salem failure to extend the resistance within the article on terrorism, calling for the postponement of the law until the liberation of Anbar and Mosul to the clearer the picture.
chattels: MP Ahmed electrodes with the exception of those involved in the act of inclusiveness Amnesty Law and that the exception does not have an absolute pointing out that the problem lies in the investigation process, not at the trial. For his part, expressed his deputy Ardalan Noureddine reservation on amnesty policeman contained in the draft law calling for the cancellation of some of the exceptions contained therein.
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New With Links & Discussion
Wealthwatch Butifldrm Evening Chat 11-14-15 Part 1 of 2
chattels: good afternoon all
chattels: The Council resumed debate on the draft of the amnesty law and submitted by the legal committees and human rights. In the interventions of the House of Representatives on the bill, expressed MP Hamdiya Husseini support for the demands of the legal committee in Parliament to reduce the exceptions contained in the draft law.
He called Abdul Kahar Samurai to amend the law's name and Add expression redress the oppressed who did not prove their right to any condemnation in addition to an apology to them and compensate them. I suggest MP Hassan Salem failure to extend the resistance within the article on terrorism, calling for the postponement of the law until the liberation of Anbar and Mosul to the clearer the picture.
chattels: MP Ahmed electrodes with the exception of those involved in the act of inclusiveness Amnesty Law and that the exception does not have an absolute pointing out that the problem lies in the investigation process, not at the trial. For his part, expressed his deputy Ardalan Noureddine reservation on amnesty policeman contained in the draft law calling for the cancellation of some of the exceptions contained therein.
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MP Ammar Tohme not to the inclusion of crimes related stealing public money, including money laundering, a general amnesty and urged the MP Zana happy on the inclusion of the accused and sentenced to death by the law and reduce their sentences to be carried retrial especially for those who were not the conditions of a fair trial. He also called militant al-Moussawi amend the law and the exclusion of belonging to al-Qaida and Daash Whoever killed citizen Iraqi terrorist act of amnesty.
focused MP Zainab al-Tai on the importance of re-trial to determine the circumstances in which the accused made a confession and then consider the inclusion in the general amnesty. The MP Izz al-Din State that many of the detainees were subjected to torture and suits malicious and secret informant, noting that the law came to address situations of injustice associated with secret Palmbr but exceptions covered the positives law, calling him back to the relevant committees to review it in accordance with the political agreement.
It was suggested that the Attorney Jawad al formation of a Higher Council for the fight against crime and terrorism to achieve security and stability. He noted the MP Ahmed al-Jubouri, the need to pardon link fairly the oppressed who have spent years in prison without any charges or evidence.
For its part, was amazed MP emotions blessing of the Legal Committee of the charge exceeded the border within the law to include and make the punishment of a criminal to a misdemeanor, noting that the Passports Act addressed this issue. considered MP Sunrise Alabegi that the law a golden opportunity
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chattels: Parliament adjourned until Tuesday.
chattels: the Parliamentary Finance Committee said, the government spent stockpiling reserves in state banks and the International Monetary conditions Sdnouk will make us into a financial crisis.
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chattels: According to the Commission's decision Ahmed al-Haj told all of Iraq [where] that "the 2016 budget is based on the source oil revenues, the amount of 3.6 million barrels per day," explaining that "the Department of exports come from the Kurdistan region is equivalent to 550 000 barrels divided into two parts 250 000 barrel from the region and 300 thousand barrels through the Kirkuk fields.
"He added that" allocated to the province, the budget is 17% of the budget, but there are limits and restrictions, including actual spending, "noting that" in the case of lack of commitment by the province to deliver oil to SOMO, the company the government will not abide by any agreement to Kurdistan, "explaining that" the financial budget for 2016 is the clone of its predecessors in 2015 ".
chattels: " ........... the financial budget for 2016 is the clone of its predecessors in 2015 ".
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Hi I found a great article I think would interest you wealthwatch.world/showthr...
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Butifldrm: it's in your wheel house
chattels: the deadly conflict in Tuz Khurmatu recently is the reason that the Kurds don't want to fight alongside the Shia militias or have the militias anywhere in Kurdistan
Butifldrm: For sure Butifldrm: I would not either
Butifldrm: I read article a few months ago stating the same thing and the Sunni's are in the ame position
Butifldrm: ameri needs to go
chattels: "With regard to the situation in Tuz, between Abadi said: What a rift between Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen happen and any party incite fighting trying seditious because it would threaten after the rest of the provinces, and there are efforts to keep the situation reached crisis cell today out there, but some pay in order to gain votes and we are working for the bloodshed and go guns to Daash ". http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
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Butifldrm: the rest of the provinces would include the Sunni's
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Ameri is Maliki's " butcher ", IMO
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› for sure
chattels: small wonder he was rejected by the Sunni and Kurds as Defense Minister in the Abadi cabinet
Butifldrm: the Shia Malitia are dangerous to the reconcilliation
Butifldrm: yea so now he runs the militia Butifldrm: under the control of Maliki
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› imagine the tension once the common enemy, DAESH, is gone, eh ?
Butifldrm: Wow I never thought about that
chattels: No doubt one of the reasons that Baghdad is resistant to arming the Sunni and Kurds
Butifldrm: Do you think Daash will ever be gone? i wonder : especially since it's gettin so much funding
Butifldrm: I almost cried when I read all of the sympathy posts from Saudi Arabia and the Paris bombings
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I believe that DAESH will be ousted from controlling any Iraqi territory, but their continued threat will depend upon their presence in Syria and the political conditions in Iraq
Butifldrm: As for the Kurds Sinjar and Tuz are great victories
chattels: Ramadi, Fallujah, Hawija and Mosul left
Butifldrm: yes Mosul will be the battle of battles Butifldrm: they are doing well in Anbar
chattels: And the Anbar desert areas on the Syrian border could prove difficult
Butifldrm: yes and their are so many factors complicating these battles
chattels: Ramadi is surrounded which cuts off the major supply line to Fallujah also
Butifldrm: I found this to be a very interesting article today
Butifldrm: Ahmed al-Asadi People crowd accuses Washington of falsifying history and shuffle the cards 11/14/2015
Butifldrm: ndependent) ... body accused the popular crowd and Washington falsifying history and shuffle the cards, and while confirming its quest to steal the great victory achieved by the Iraqis in the city of Tikrit. A spokesman for the Authority the popular crowd Ahmed al-Asadi said in a statement received (Independent) said Saturday that "the Americans are trying to deceive the public
and to suggest that they are of liberated Tikrit and helped to install its security through an interview with Foreign Minister John Kerry, who said that the Sinjar liberated and will provide thanks the international coalition, as happened in Tikrit.
Butifldrm: Asadi stressed that "the liberalization of Tikrit and the establishment of security where it was and is still the efforts of the sons of the popular crowd, armed forces and not for the Americans in that of share," noting that "the Americans are trying to do so shuffle the cards and the falsification of history and the theft of the great victory that Iraqis achieved in Tikrit." Asadi said that "these lies will not be able to deceive so gullible as well as observers of Iraqi affairs Nasrallah Iraq and its proud people." (End)
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Butifldrm: I believe it's a no win situation for the US to be involved in this situation
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Asadi is cut from the same cloth as Ameri
Butifldrm: there are a couple of articles out there stating this
Butifldrm: I know
chattels: and Hakim al-Zamili, the head of the Iraqi parliament's Defense and Security Committee,
Butifldrm: But the truth is the US will never be allowed to intervene as all the politicians state what the US should be ding over their
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea Butifldrm: they do not want the US involved
chattels: Zamili is a killer according to several serious commentators / observers of Iraq
Butifldrm: I'm sure he is Butifldrm: that doesn't change the situation our soldiers would be under
Butifldrm: this is a sectarian event
focused MP Zainab al-Tai on the importance of re-trial to determine the circumstances in which the accused made a confession and then consider the inclusion in the general amnesty. The MP Izz al-Din State that many of the detainees were subjected to torture and suits malicious and secret informant, noting that the law came to address situations of injustice associated with secret Palmbr but exceptions covered the positives law, calling him back to the relevant committees to review it in accordance with the political agreement.
It was suggested that the Attorney Jawad al formation of a Higher Council for the fight against crime and terrorism to achieve security and stability. He noted the MP Ahmed al-Jubouri, the need to pardon link fairly the oppressed who have spent years in prison without any charges or evidence.
For its part, was amazed MP emotions blessing of the Legal Committee of the charge exceeded the border within the law to include and make the punishment of a criminal to a misdemeanor, noting that the Passports Act addressed this issue. considered MP Sunrise Alabegi that the law a golden opportunity
chattels: http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/20UQuOe
chattels: Parliament adjourned until Tuesday.
chattels: the Parliamentary Finance Committee said, the government spent stockpiling reserves in state banks and the International Monetary conditions Sdnouk will make us into a financial crisis.
chattels: http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1kWYcpV
chattels: According to the Commission's decision Ahmed al-Haj told all of Iraq [where] that "the 2016 budget is based on the source oil revenues, the amount of 3.6 million barrels per day," explaining that "the Department of exports come from the Kurdistan region is equivalent to 550 000 barrels divided into two parts 250 000 barrel from the region and 300 thousand barrels through the Kirkuk fields.
"He added that" allocated to the province, the budget is 17% of the budget, but there are limits and restrictions, including actual spending, "noting that" in the case of lack of commitment by the province to deliver oil to SOMO, the company the government will not abide by any agreement to Kurdistan, "explaining that" the financial budget for 2016 is the clone of its predecessors in 2015 ".
chattels: " ........... the financial budget for 2016 is the clone of its predecessors in 2015 ".
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› Hi I found a great article I think would interest you wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/20UQv4s
Butifldrm: it's in your wheel house
chattels: the deadly conflict in Tuz Khurmatu recently is the reason that the Kurds don't want to fight alongside the Shia militias or have the militias anywhere in Kurdistan
Butifldrm: For sure Butifldrm: I would not either
Butifldrm: I read article a few months ago stating the same thing and the Sunni's are in the ame position
Butifldrm: ameri needs to go
chattels: "With regard to the situation in Tuz, between Abadi said: What a rift between Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen happen and any party incite fighting trying seditious because it would threaten after the rest of the provinces, and there are efforts to keep the situation reached crisis cell today out there, but some pay in order to gain votes and we are working for the bloodshed and go guns to Daash ". http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1kWYbCv
Butifldrm: the rest of the provinces would include the Sunni's
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Ameri is Maliki's " butcher ", IMO
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› for sure
chattels: small wonder he was rejected by the Sunni and Kurds as Defense Minister in the Abadi cabinet
Butifldrm: the Shia Malitia are dangerous to the reconcilliation
Butifldrm: yea so now he runs the militia Butifldrm: under the control of Maliki
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› imagine the tension once the common enemy, DAESH, is gone, eh ?
Butifldrm: Wow I never thought about that
chattels: No doubt one of the reasons that Baghdad is resistant to arming the Sunni and Kurds
Butifldrm: Do you think Daash will ever be gone? i wonder : especially since it's gettin so much funding
Butifldrm: I almost cried when I read all of the sympathy posts from Saudi Arabia and the Paris bombings
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› I believe that DAESH will be ousted from controlling any Iraqi territory, but their continued threat will depend upon their presence in Syria and the political conditions in Iraq
Butifldrm: As for the Kurds Sinjar and Tuz are great victories
chattels: Ramadi, Fallujah, Hawija and Mosul left
Butifldrm: yes Mosul will be the battle of battles Butifldrm: they are doing well in Anbar
chattels: And the Anbar desert areas on the Syrian border could prove difficult
Butifldrm: yes and their are so many factors complicating these battles
chattels: Ramadi is surrounded which cuts off the major supply line to Fallujah also
Butifldrm: I found this to be a very interesting article today
Butifldrm: Ahmed al-Asadi People crowd accuses Washington of falsifying history and shuffle the cards 11/14/2015
Butifldrm: ndependent) ... body accused the popular crowd and Washington falsifying history and shuffle the cards, and while confirming its quest to steal the great victory achieved by the Iraqis in the city of Tikrit. A spokesman for the Authority the popular crowd Ahmed al-Asadi said in a statement received (Independent) said Saturday that "the Americans are trying to deceive the public
and to suggest that they are of liberated Tikrit and helped to install its security through an interview with Foreign Minister John Kerry, who said that the Sinjar liberated and will provide thanks the international coalition, as happened in Tikrit.
Butifldrm: Asadi stressed that "the liberalization of Tikrit and the establishment of security where it was and is still the efforts of the sons of the popular crowd, armed forces and not for the Americans in that of share," noting that "the Americans are trying to do so shuffle the cards and the falsification of history and the theft of the great victory that Iraqis achieved in Tikrit." Asadi said that "these lies will not be able to deceive so gullible as well as observers of Iraqi affairs Nasrallah Iraq and its proud people." (End)
Butifldrm: http://ift.tt/1iSRm3A...
http://ift.tt/1WRXAUa
Butifldrm: I believe it's a no win situation for the US to be involved in this situation
chattels: ‹@Butifldrm› Asadi is cut from the same cloth as Ameri
Butifldrm: there are a couple of articles out there stating this
Butifldrm: I know
chattels: and Hakim al-Zamili, the head of the Iraqi parliament's Defense and Security Committee,
Butifldrm: But the truth is the US will never be allowed to intervene as all the politicians state what the US should be ding over their
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea Butifldrm: they do not want the US involved
chattels: Zamili is a killer according to several serious commentators / observers of Iraq
Butifldrm: I'm sure he is Butifldrm: that doesn't change the situation our soldiers would be under
Butifldrm: this is a sectarian event
chattels: every Sunni with a weapon is a terrorist in their view and the only good Sunni is a dead Sunni
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› for sure
Butifldrm: We will see if Amnesty and national reconciliation makes a difference
chattels: i think the sectarian card is over played and it is a matter of identity politics in the absence of any real unifying nationalism in Iraq
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I believe the root cause is the destruction of the economy from years of war
Butifldrm: I know for a fact that the shia have suppressed the Sunni's for years
chattels: the closer we can get to a provincial centering of politics and control and away from central control in Baghdad the more stability and security we will see, IMO
Butifldrm: When the Baath's were in power, both shia and sunni had a common enemy
chattels: it will also reduce corruption
Butifldrm: that's why the best hope is amnesty and national reconciliation Butifldrm: I do believe that too
chattels: agreed
Butifldrm: provincial powers hopefully will take the power from the most reedy
Butifldrm: the Owners Butifldrm: I love abadi I believe he is one of the bravest men on earth
chattels: this quota system perpetuates incompetence and corruption
Butifldrm: He should definitely have been times Man of the Year
Butifldrm: it does in any culture Butifldrm: even our own
chattels: He has not always been a friend to the Kurds, but I am hopeful
chattels: Mahdi, the oil minister is very competent and I think that the Kurds trust him
Butifldrm: Abadi knows that keeping the Kurds is integral, not only for the economy, but for keeping Iraq as a whole
Butifldrm: If the Kurds leave, IMO Iraq will be divided including the Sunii provinces
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea he is no shahristani
chattels: the transfer of powers to the provinces will ameliorate the Kurdish seccession movement, I think
Butifldrm: I do too Butifldrm: that's why we are not seeing such an abundance of articles about the kurds and their oil procedes
chattels: nothing wrong with a confederation of states / governates
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› have you read this
Butifldrm: Abadi: There are those who speak of Kurdistan and at the same time present a paper where all the concessions for the withdrawal of the authorization Butifldrm: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/20UQv4s
chattels: read, but found it very unclear
Comments may be made at the end of Part 2 Thank You
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› for sure
Butifldrm: We will see if Amnesty and national reconciliation makes a difference
chattels: i think the sectarian card is over played and it is a matter of identity politics in the absence of any real unifying nationalism in Iraq
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› I believe the root cause is the destruction of the economy from years of war
Butifldrm: I know for a fact that the shia have suppressed the Sunni's for years
chattels: the closer we can get to a provincial centering of politics and control and away from central control in Baghdad the more stability and security we will see, IMO
Butifldrm: When the Baath's were in power, both shia and sunni had a common enemy
chattels: it will also reduce corruption
Butifldrm: that's why the best hope is amnesty and national reconciliation Butifldrm: I do believe that too
chattels: agreed
Butifldrm: provincial powers hopefully will take the power from the most reedy
Butifldrm: the Owners Butifldrm: I love abadi I believe he is one of the bravest men on earth
chattels: this quota system perpetuates incompetence and corruption
Butifldrm: He should definitely have been times Man of the Year
Butifldrm: it does in any culture Butifldrm: even our own
chattels: He has not always been a friend to the Kurds, but I am hopeful
chattels: Mahdi, the oil minister is very competent and I think that the Kurds trust him
Butifldrm: Abadi knows that keeping the Kurds is integral, not only for the economy, but for keeping Iraq as a whole
Butifldrm: If the Kurds leave, IMO Iraq will be divided including the Sunii provinces
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› yea he is no shahristani
chattels: the transfer of powers to the provinces will ameliorate the Kurdish seccession movement, I think
Butifldrm: I do too Butifldrm: that's why we are not seeing such an abundance of articles about the kurds and their oil procedes
chattels: nothing wrong with a confederation of states / governates
Butifldrm: ‹@chattels› have you read this
Butifldrm: Abadi: There are those who speak of Kurdistan and at the same time present a paper where all the concessions for the withdrawal of the authorization Butifldrm: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/20UQv4s
chattels: read, but found it very unclear
Comments may be made at the end of Part 2 Thank You
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