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Wealthwatch Thursday Morning Chat 11-12-15 Part 2 of 2
Doug_W: GM 7
disciple7: ‹@Doug_W› GM doug
chattels: BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / announced member of the Finance Committee for the Liberal bloc Hossam punitive election Faleh applicable chairman of the Finance Committee. He said the Iraqi News / Nina / National Agency that "the position of the mass of the citizen entitlement of the National Alliance after the death of its former president for the bloc Ahmed Chalabi ".
chattels: http://ift.tt/1GNR4RF...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoq8
chattels: led by a coalition of citizen, Rahim Sehud Darraji, was sworn in as deputy in the House of Representatives alternative head of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi, who died last week. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
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Wealthwatch Thursday Morning Chat 11-12-15 Part 2 of 2
Doug_W: GM 7
disciple7: ‹@Doug_W› GM doug
chattels: BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / announced member of the Finance Committee for the Liberal bloc Hossam punitive election Faleh applicable chairman of the Finance Committee. He said the Iraqi News / Nina / National Agency that "the position of the mass of the citizen entitlement of the National Alliance after the death of its former president for the bloc Ahmed Chalabi ".
chattels: http://ift.tt/1GNR4RF...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoq8
chattels: led by a coalition of citizen, Rahim Sehud Darraji, was sworn in as deputy in the House of Representatives alternative head of the Iraqi National Congress, Ahmed Chalabi, who died last week. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
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chattels: Abdul Amir slave media adviser and a close associate of the President of the National Congress, Ahmad Chalabi, said the medical reports results in the detection of the cause of death, "Chalabi" will be strong. He said slave, told all of Iraq [where], "so far did not show the results of the medical reports [about the death of Chalabi, has taken some doctors samples of his body, and we are still waiting for the results, which we believe they will be real and strong and appropriate and consistent with reality." http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqa
chattels: He pointed to " the introduction of some doctors from outside Iraq and others from the inside to the presence of technology in countries outside the Iraq processes of detection need a higher technology, but Iraqi doctors are present as well. "The sources said that the Chalabi family, brought two doctors, one of them an American British and the other in order to autopsy revealed the causes of sudden death.
chattels: BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / confirmed political Hani Ashour said a number of deputies from coalition Iraqi forces and national coalition and other political blocks from the National Alliance currently coordinating to launch the axis inside the Parliament mission to support reforms of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi.,
Said in a press release that "coordination meetings and debates now taking place for the emergence of this coordination axis, which believes that the support of the reforms is the most suitable and optimized for the advancement of the Iraqi reality and address the failures of the way, and correct the reforms path in the event of deviation from the path, and sees the dialogue between the hub and the government an opportunity to launch reforms broadly.
"He added that the close encounters will take place between the President Minister Haider al-Abadi and supporters to the axis of coordination to develop control over state institutions and to discuss the legislation of new laws to support reforms ". http://ift.tt/1GNR4RF.
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http://ift.tt/1LcKIeY
chattels: " ........... a number of deputies from coalition Iraqi forces and national coalition and other political blocks from the National Alliance currently coordinating to launch the axis inside the Parliament mission to support reforms of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi., ..........."
chattels: The tide may have turned and while not rushing shoreward, there may be reason for optimism in the longer term.
chattels: the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), headed by former President Jalal Talabani on Thursday launched a new initiative did not disclose the details to resolve the political crisis on the outstanding in the Kurdistan region, including the mandate of the President of the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani problems. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm2
chattels: Market price holding steady at 1,225 http://ift.tt/1LZCY4T....
http://ift.tt/1Sh4n1Z
chattels: 17 Held in Europe’s Biggest ISIS Sweep http://ift.tt/1O8TMbW...
http://ift.tt/1LcKK6R
Donnie: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 A Review Of Iraq Premier Abadi’s Reform Program, Interview With Reidar Visser Donnie: musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqg
Donnie: ‹@chattels› Do you like/follow "Reidar Visser" or not? I forgot your opinion of him.
Donnie: Thanks Donnie: :)
*SCZIN11: Kurdistan flag raising at the entrance of Sinjar 12-11-2015 04:00 PM Number of Views: 18 Iraq today A source in the Peshmerga forces confirmed that his forces raised the flag of Kurdistan in control or Alchaababit entrance Sinjar district of Mosul
The source indicated that the Peshmerga forces took control of the entrance to the district of Sinjar, west of Mosul, from the southern side, specifically the control or Alchaababit Kurdistan flag and raised the point, which is the entrance to the Sinjar district arrivals from Mosul or Tal Afar, west of Mosul.
The source confirmed that the Peshmerga forces engaged in fierce battles with Daash in the vicinity of Sinjar, adding that he was found 10 bodies to regulate Daash in those areas. The source added that three Rbaia to Daash were completely destroyed in the village of Solagh within the district of Sinjar *SCZIN11: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1LcKIf0
peepingtom: So how are we looking sczin11 : anybody here?
Stash: stop peeping and come on in lol Stash: GM all
peepingtom: I have. Just that I am the only one here, seems like nobody home
Stash: I think they have all gone to the bank but me and you
peepingtom: well now! isn't that something
peepingtom: nobody bother to tell me and you anything
Stash: I know....
MichelleL: good morning MichelleL: anyone live? because if not, I'm going to run away and join the circus
Doug_W: bye Doug_W: U gonna b head clown ?
MichelleL: I already am
Doug_W: well at least there U will get paid
Doug_W: time 4 me to do my dishes from last night Doug_W: poof_ly
MichelleL: http://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAhqjfMiEY
MichelleL: ok, adios muchacho~
Donnie: ‹@chattels› Do you like/follow "Reidar Visser" or not? I forgot your opinion of him.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› Visser is an expert authority on Iraqi constitutional and political matters. I value his opinions.
RVPlease: any pix of the new 50K note yet?
chattels: ‹@RVPlease› sczin11 posted pics in the forum
RVPlease: Ok.thx
chattels: ‹@RVPlease› wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1HLcyPi
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser · 1h1 hour ago How is the reform project of #Iraq PM Abadi going? I was interviewed by @JoelWing2 on his indispensable Iraq blog musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqg
chattels: PM Abadi began announcing a series of reforms in August 2015. Can you give a brief rundown of what he proposed and their status?
chattels: The most immediate measures were the downsizing of cabinet through abolishing some ministries and merging others, as well as sacking some key posts deemed unnecessary such as deputy PMs and deputy VPs. The degree of implementation varies. Ministers affected by the cabinet downsizing certainly no longer come to cabinet meetings, and the mergers of ministries are reportedly underway.
Conversely, there are competing claims about the VPs, with some sources saying they still receive their salaries, and they visibly continue to occupy their offices. This in itself needn't be an anomaly as long as a complaint about the constitutionality of their sacking is pending before the federal supreme court; however once a ruling has been published it will be a key test of the actual implementation of reforms.
chattels: We have stated in this forum on several occasions that we are awaiting a decision from the Iraqi judiciary.
chattels: One major criticism of Abadi’s changes was that he was acting unconstitutionally and usurping the powers of the parliament. What is the legal status of the premier’s program?
chattels: The discussion of the legality of the reforms comprises many misunderstandings especially regarding the role of the parliament. A key point here is that the Iraqi parliament on 11 August gave its approval to the entire reform programme of Abadi, including merging ministries and sacking VPs.
These were specific reforms specifically approved, rather than a carte blanche that was given and that can subsequently be withdrawn.
One of the few specific extension's of the PM's authority in the package actually came in the shape of a right to withdraw confidence from local governors. In other words, parliament has itself approved of many things it later regretted, and it is highly jejune of it to retroactively publish declarations of the kind it issued on 2 November to the effect that it "supports reform as long as they are inside the constitution".
Some reforms evidently weren't constitutional, but parliament was itself involved in overriding the constitution in this respect.
chattels: As for the substantial matters, it does seem clear that the sacking of the VPs, but not the deputy PMs and the merger of ministries, though all ministers should have been sacked individually was at variance with the constitution, which stipulates the existence of at least one such VP.
The attempt by cabinet to retroactively clean things up legally by swiftly introducing a law project to abrogate the existing law on the VPs really served as an admission of illegality rather than a step to establish legality. The new law has yet to make any progress in parliament.
chattels: On a more general note, there is also the problem of parliament trying to pass such massive measures in the shape of a single "decision" in parliament (qarar) in August without there being a complete legislative projects with the usual two readings before a vote. The legal status of such a decision is unclear, and it may for example potentially be reversed as easily with another "decision", whether on the cabinet's initiative or otherwise.
chattels: " The new law has yet to make any progress in parliament."
chattels: " ......... there is also the problem of parliament trying to pass such massive measures in the shape of a single "decision" in parliament (qarar) in August without there being a complete legislative projects with the usual two readings before a vote."
chattels: Any pundit who talks about a truncated legislative process, i.e., skipping the required two readings, is obviously not well informed.
chattels: An excellent interview. I wish that it had been longer and addressed other issues.
chattels: Read it in it's entirety at wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm4
TxBrand: well they cut them short hear... they can even read the health care bill ...much less read it 3 times lol
[10:14:07 AM] TxBrand: cant
chattels: ‹@TxBrand› different procedural rules :)
chattels: It is unlikely that you will see the Visser interview posted by many of the dinarland pundits - it does not suit their narrative and sensational prognostications.
chattels: Abdul Amir slave media adviser and a close associate of the President of the National Congress, Ahmad Chalabi, said the medical reports results in the detection of the cause of death, "Chalabi" will be strong. He said slave, told all of Iraq [where], "so far did not show the results of the medical reports [about the death of Chalabi, has taken some doctors samples of his body, and we are still waiting for the results, which we believe they will be real and strong and appropriate and consistent with reality." http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqa
chattels: He pointed to " the introduction of some doctors from outside Iraq and others from the inside to the presence of technology in countries outside the Iraq processes of detection need a higher technology, but Iraqi doctors are present as well. "The sources said that the Chalabi family, brought two doctors, one of them an American British and the other in order to autopsy revealed the causes of sudden death.
chattels: BAGHDAD / National Iraqi News Agency / nina / confirmed political Hani Ashour said a number of deputies from coalition Iraqi forces and national coalition and other political blocks from the National Alliance currently coordinating to launch the axis inside the Parliament mission to support reforms of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi.,
Said in a press release that "coordination meetings and debates now taking place for the emergence of this coordination axis, which believes that the support of the reforms is the most suitable and optimized for the advancement of the Iraqi reality and address the failures of the way, and correct the reforms path in the event of deviation from the path, and sees the dialogue between the hub and the government an opportunity to launch reforms broadly.
"He added that the close encounters will take place between the President Minister Haider al-Abadi and supporters to the axis of coordination to develop control over state institutions and to discuss the legislation of new laws to support reforms ". http://ift.tt/1GNR4RF.
..
http://ift.tt/1LcKIeY
chattels: " ........... a number of deputies from coalition Iraqi forces and national coalition and other political blocks from the National Alliance currently coordinating to launch the axis inside the Parliament mission to support reforms of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi., ..........."
chattels: The tide may have turned and while not rushing shoreward, there may be reason for optimism in the longer term.
chattels: the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), headed by former President Jalal Talabani on Thursday launched a new initiative did not disclose the details to resolve the political crisis on the outstanding in the Kurdistan region, including the mandate of the President of the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani problems. http://ift.tt/1LEwWYk...
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm2
chattels: Market price holding steady at 1,225 http://ift.tt/1LZCY4T....
http://ift.tt/1Sh4n1Z
chattels: 17 Held in Europe’s Biggest ISIS Sweep http://ift.tt/1O8TMbW...
http://ift.tt/1LcKK6R
Donnie: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 A Review Of Iraq Premier Abadi’s Reform Program, Interview With Reidar Visser Donnie: musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqg
Donnie: ‹@chattels› Do you like/follow "Reidar Visser" or not? I forgot your opinion of him.
Donnie: Thanks Donnie: :)
*SCZIN11: Kurdistan flag raising at the entrance of Sinjar 12-11-2015 04:00 PM Number of Views: 18 Iraq today A source in the Peshmerga forces confirmed that his forces raised the flag of Kurdistan in control or Alchaababit entrance Sinjar district of Mosul
The source indicated that the Peshmerga forces took control of the entrance to the district of Sinjar, west of Mosul, from the southern side, specifically the control or Alchaababit Kurdistan flag and raised the point, which is the entrance to the Sinjar district arrivals from Mosul or Tal Afar, west of Mosul.
The source confirmed that the Peshmerga forces engaged in fierce battles with Daash in the vicinity of Sinjar, adding that he was found 10 bodies to regulate Daash in those areas. The source added that three Rbaia to Daash were completely destroyed in the village of Solagh within the district of Sinjar *SCZIN11: wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1LcKIf0
peepingtom: So how are we looking sczin11 : anybody here?
Stash: stop peeping and come on in lol Stash: GM all
peepingtom: I have. Just that I am the only one here, seems like nobody home
Stash: I think they have all gone to the bank but me and you
peepingtom: well now! isn't that something
peepingtom: nobody bother to tell me and you anything
Stash: I know....
MichelleL: good morning MichelleL: anyone live? because if not, I'm going to run away and join the circus
Doug_W: bye Doug_W: U gonna b head clown ?
MichelleL: I already am
Doug_W: well at least there U will get paid
Doug_W: time 4 me to do my dishes from last night Doug_W: poof_ly
MichelleL: http://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAhqjfMiEY
MichelleL: ok, adios muchacho~
Donnie: ‹@chattels› Do you like/follow "Reidar Visser" or not? I forgot your opinion of him.
chattels: ‹@Donnie› Visser is an expert authority on Iraqi constitutional and political matters. I value his opinions.
RVPlease: any pix of the new 50K note yet?
chattels: ‹@RVPlease› sczin11 posted pics in the forum
RVPlease: Ok.thx
chattels: ‹@RVPlease› wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1HLcyPi
chattels: Reidar Visser @reidarvisser · 1h1 hour ago How is the reform project of #Iraq PM Abadi going? I was interviewed by @JoelWing2 on his indispensable Iraq blog musingsoniraq.blogspot.co...
http://ift.tt/1NOmoqg
chattels: PM Abadi began announcing a series of reforms in August 2015. Can you give a brief rundown of what he proposed and their status?
chattels: The most immediate measures were the downsizing of cabinet through abolishing some ministries and merging others, as well as sacking some key posts deemed unnecessary such as deputy PMs and deputy VPs. The degree of implementation varies. Ministers affected by the cabinet downsizing certainly no longer come to cabinet meetings, and the mergers of ministries are reportedly underway.
Conversely, there are competing claims about the VPs, with some sources saying they still receive their salaries, and they visibly continue to occupy their offices. This in itself needn't be an anomaly as long as a complaint about the constitutionality of their sacking is pending before the federal supreme court; however once a ruling has been published it will be a key test of the actual implementation of reforms.
chattels: We have stated in this forum on several occasions that we are awaiting a decision from the Iraqi judiciary.
chattels: One major criticism of Abadi’s changes was that he was acting unconstitutionally and usurping the powers of the parliament. What is the legal status of the premier’s program?
chattels: The discussion of the legality of the reforms comprises many misunderstandings especially regarding the role of the parliament. A key point here is that the Iraqi parliament on 11 August gave its approval to the entire reform programme of Abadi, including merging ministries and sacking VPs.
These were specific reforms specifically approved, rather than a carte blanche that was given and that can subsequently be withdrawn.
One of the few specific extension's of the PM's authority in the package actually came in the shape of a right to withdraw confidence from local governors. In other words, parliament has itself approved of many things it later regretted, and it is highly jejune of it to retroactively publish declarations of the kind it issued on 2 November to the effect that it "supports reform as long as they are inside the constitution".
Some reforms evidently weren't constitutional, but parliament was itself involved in overriding the constitution in this respect.
chattels: As for the substantial matters, it does seem clear that the sacking of the VPs, but not the deputy PMs and the merger of ministries, though all ministers should have been sacked individually was at variance with the constitution, which stipulates the existence of at least one such VP.
The attempt by cabinet to retroactively clean things up legally by swiftly introducing a law project to abrogate the existing law on the VPs really served as an admission of illegality rather than a step to establish legality. The new law has yet to make any progress in parliament.
chattels: On a more general note, there is also the problem of parliament trying to pass such massive measures in the shape of a single "decision" in parliament (qarar) in August without there being a complete legislative projects with the usual two readings before a vote. The legal status of such a decision is unclear, and it may for example potentially be reversed as easily with another "decision", whether on the cabinet's initiative or otherwise.
chattels: " The new law has yet to make any progress in parliament."
chattels: " ......... there is also the problem of parliament trying to pass such massive measures in the shape of a single "decision" in parliament (qarar) in August without there being a complete legislative projects with the usual two readings before a vote."
chattels: Any pundit who talks about a truncated legislative process, i.e., skipping the required two readings, is obviously not well informed.
chattels: An excellent interview. I wish that it had been longer and addressed other issues.
chattels: Read it in it's entirety at wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm4
TxBrand: well they cut them short hear... they can even read the health care bill ...much less read it 3 times lol
[10:14:07 AM] TxBrand: cant
chattels: ‹@TxBrand› different procedural rules :)
chattels: It is unlikely that you will see the Visser interview posted by many of the dinarland pundits - it does not suit their narrative and sensational prognostications.
TxBrand: ‹@chattels› lol yes
chattels: Maliki: I still I serve as Vice-President of the Republic 12-11-2015 02:00 PM President of a coalition of law Nuri al-Maliki said, it is still practiced his vice president.
"He added in a press statement today, said that" the Federal Court did not decide so far in this matter and will be presented by the beginning of next week, "he said, adding," The decision to cancel the positions of Chairman Republic, an Iraqi constitution and law decision "in the recipe. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
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chattels: courtesy of btfldrmr
chattels: " the Federal Court did not decide so far in this matter and will be presented by the beginning of next week, "
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 21m21 minutes ago Full charts on violence in Iraq musingsoniraq.blogspot.co... …
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm6
chattels: " The 186 fatalities were the lowest recorded for any full week of 2015. While dozens of deaths are never reported, they do appear to be declining because attacks have gone down as well."
chattels: " ......... IS has been thrown back on the defensive in both Anbar and Salahaddin. That has left the group to focus upon terrorist attacks in the capital, which is why Baghdad province leads the country in incidents each week."
chattels: Maliki: I still I serve as Vice-President of the Republic 12-11-2015 02:00 PM President of a coalition of law Nuri al-Maliki said, it is still practiced his vice president.
"He added in a press statement today, said that" the Federal Court did not decide so far in this matter and will be presented by the beginning of next week, "he said, adding," The decision to cancel the positions of Chairman Republic, an Iraqi constitution and law decision "in the recipe. wealthwatch.world/showthr...
http://ift.tt/1LcKKn6
chattels: courtesy of btfldrmr
chattels: " the Federal Court did not decide so far in this matter and will be presented by the beginning of next week, "
chattels: Joel Wing @JoelWing2 21m21 minutes ago Full charts on violence in Iraq musingsoniraq.blogspot.co... …
http://ift.tt/1NOmnm6
chattels: " The 186 fatalities were the lowest recorded for any full week of 2015. While dozens of deaths are never reported, they do appear to be declining because attacks have gone down as well."
chattels: " ......... IS has been thrown back on the defensive in both Anbar and Salahaddin. That has left the group to focus upon terrorist attacks in the capital, which is why Baghdad province leads the country in incidents each week."
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