[Jester] HI EVERYONE... HAPPY WEDNESDAY...
[Jester] HAHAHA... IS A CONFUSING MESS OUT THERE... THE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS AS IT SEEMS....
[Betsy Ross] so they are doing things to trick us?
[pollyp] Jester, and you can tell us what isn’t as it seems! Dying to know.
[Jester] THERE ARE A LOT OF ULTERIOR MOTIVES FOR WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST... AND THE UNDERLYING THREAD SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER FAST ONE BY THE US... THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION STARTING TO SURFACE ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON FROM SYRIA TO ISRAEL TO TURKEY TO IRAQ AND WHAT THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO... LIKE I SAID... IT'S A MESS...
....
[Jester] HAHAHA... IS A CONFUSING MESS OUT THERE... THE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT NOT EVERYTHING IS AS IT SEEMS....
[Betsy Ross] so they are doing things to trick us?
[pollyp] Jester, and you can tell us what isn’t as it seems! Dying to know.
[Jester] THERE ARE A LOT OF ULTERIOR MOTIVES FOR WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST... AND THE UNDERLYING THREAD SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER FAST ONE BY THE US... THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION STARTING TO SURFACE ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON FROM SYRIA TO ISRAEL TO TURKEY TO IRAQ AND WHAT THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO... LIKE I SAID... IT'S A MESS...
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[Betsy Ross] Jester so Ohas screwed up again [Jester] WELL... I AM STILL TRYING TO PULL TOGETHER INFORMATION ON WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING AND IT IS ALL OVER THE PLACE... I CANNOT GET IT ALL TO MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT IS SO DISJOINTED... [LuckyB] Out side of Israel i am starting to get a Gut feeling that the middle east . is trying to find Unity among themselves |
[pollyp] Jester, can you give us the cliff notes?
[Jester] pollyp THEY ARE NOT CLIFF NOTES... I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER... WHAT HAVE IS A BUNCH OF POSSIBILITIES THAT GENERATE MORE QUESTIONS... AND MORE POSSIBILITIES...
[Jester] THERE IS TOO MUCH TO TIE TOGETHER ALL IN ONE PLACE.. A COLLECTION OF OPINIONS AND THEORIES AND INTEL FROM WHO KNOWS HOW ACCURATE SOURCES AND PROBABLY SOME OUTRIGHT DISINFORMATION AND STUPIDITY...
[pollyp] Hummmmm, any of them lead to plan A?
[Jester] pollyp NOT REALLY... WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME IT LEADS TO IS A HUGE MESS THAT WE CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH TO... YET...
[Jester] I GET SO MUCH STUFF SENT TO ME ON ANY GIVEN DAY THAT I DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO START... HAHAHAHA
[GodsGurl] Jester you think it's a setup like 9-11 to hide the real deal?
[Jester] GodsGurl WELL OF THAT I AM SURE... IT IS A PLAN BUT NOT THE ONE THEY ARE SAYING...
[pollyp] Jester, could all the confusion be on purpose to throw the world off the GCR?
[Betsy Ross] Jester can you give us one of the possibilities and maybe we can play around with it? Like a game of sorts.
[Jester] Betsy Ross NOT SURE... MOST OF THE INFO IS FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE PEOPLE WRITING IT... THEREFORE MAY BE BIASED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE...
[hunter35] Maybe the US is trying a last ditch effort to save face . . . and everyone is watching
[Jester] hunter35 LOT MORE GOING ON THAN MEETS THE EYE... AND WHILE MOST OF THE WORLD IS WATCHING THE US PEOPLE ARE NOT... THAT IS THE PROBLEM...
[Betsy Ross] Jester I see. hmmm people writing it, as in articles?
[hunter35] Jester Maybe the US snuck in a war by slight of hand
[Jester] MAYBE LET ME START WITH WHAT SOME OUTSIDERS THINK... THIS FROM INTIFADA... A PALESTINIAN PAPER...
[Jester] Editor’s note: the UK and US governments failed to get public and parliament/congress approval for war with Syria earlier this year with the chemical attacks which later turned out to be a false flag.
[Jester] So now they re branded al Qaeda to ISIS and are using it as the excuse to go inside Syria without approval from Assad to fight the very people they fund, arm and train in the first place.
[Jester] AND THAT MAY REALLY BE THE WHOLE THING IN A NUTSHELL WITH A FEW OTHER ACTIONS THEY ARE USING THE COVER TO PERPETRATE... BUT I DIGRESS...
[Jester] I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE THIS NEXT STATEMENT IS... IF IT IS THEN IT IS A HUGE BOO BOO..
[Jester] Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power told Chuck Todd of NBC on Sunday the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government. Power said the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) will receive an “infusion of support” in its battle against both ISIS and the Syrian government which is, according to Power and the United States, “backed by Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, etc.”
[Jester] NOW PUT THOSE TWO STATEMENTS TOGETHER...
[hunter35] Wow . . . how can we not get it?
[Jester] So now they (THE UNITED STATES) re branded al Qaeda to ISIS and are using it as the excuse to go inside Syria without approval from Assad to fight the very people they (THE UNITED STATES) fund, arm and train in the first place.
[hunter35] Jester And Congress has not approved
[Jester] NOW COMES THE AMBASSADOR STATEMENT.... Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power told Chuck Todd of NBC on Sunday the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government.
[Jester] Power said the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) will receive an “infusion of support” in its battle against both ISIS and the Syrian government which is, according to Power and the United States, “backed by Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, etc.” (WHICH IS A TOTAL MISDIRECTION OF WHO IS REALLY HELPING WHO IN THIS THING)
[Jester] POWER IS A WOMAN...
[Jester] NOW ENTER SOME OTHER STUFF... Obama and Power are attempting to keep the illusion alive that there is a distinction between al-Nusra, ISIS and the FSA when in fact all are creations of U.S., British and Israeli intelligence. On Sunday The New York Times carried a report saying Iraqis – from people on the street to officials in the highest level of government – believe the CIA is behind ISIS.
[Jester] OOPS... NOW THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME... START FSA TO MESS WITH ASSAD... WELL POO... WE DIDN'T GET THE WAR WE WANTED ON THE FALSE FLAG CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACKS... SO... LETS START ISIS TO GET THINGS MESSED UP SOME MORE AND WHEN THEY GET INTO PLACE... WE START AN ACTION ON THEM TO COVER THE REAL EXCUSE... WHICH IS TO GO INTO SYRIA... AND IN AT THE SAME TIME HELP THE FSA... HMMM...
[Jester] THAT IS ABOUT AS CLOSE TO CLIFF NOTES AS I CAN MAKE OUT OF THE MESS GOING ON...
[hunter35] Jester Why does the US want Syria so bad . . . control of a port I am guessing
[Jester] BUT TO FURTHER MAKE THE CONNECTION... Omitted from the discussion is the fact ISIS, al-Nusra and the FSA have merged forces. “We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in… Qalamoun,” Bassel Idriss, the commander of an FSA-aligned rebel brigade, told the Lebanese Daily Star earlier this month. The FSA has lost troops to al-Nusra and other hardcore Islamist groups for more than a year. In June al-Nusra and ISIS joined forces at Albu Kamal in Syria and al-Qaim in Iraq. “Fighters feel proud to join al-Nusra because that means power and influence,” Abu Ahmed, the commander of an FSA brigade near Aleppo, told The Guardian in May of 2013.
[Jester] In September, 2013, one of the largest FSA brigades, the 11th Division, joined al-Nusra. “This means that the FSA has suddenly lost serious amounts of loyal fighters… it’s basically being swallowed up by Nusra,” an Al Jazeera correspondent in Antakya, Turkey, reported on September 21, 2013. Reuters, citing sources inside Syria, reported other members of the FSA have joined ISIS. The Ahl al-Athar, Ibin al-Qa’im, and Aisha factions within the FSA pledged allegiance to ISIS in July, according to Zaman Alwasl, a newspaper based in Homs. “Al Nusra Front and the state [ISIS] will fully control FSA brigades, fusing them within their extreme and Jihadi ideologies,” the newspaper reported.
[Betsy Ross] hunter35 so they can get to Iran
[Jester] Betsy Ross NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT... BUT WE'LL SEE...
[Betsy Ross] Jester Well then what do you think the reason is?
[Jester] OK... YOU LIKE ME TO STOP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS OR YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK... CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS...
[hunter35] Jester Go ahead with what you think
[Jester] OK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OUTSIDE THE US NEWS AGENCIES REPORTING ON THIS AND THIS ARTICLE ATTEMPTS TO TRY AND TIE THEM TOGETHER...
[Jester] THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO PAINT THE PICTURE OF HOW IS ALL CAME TO BE TO SUPPORT THE STATEMENTS AT THE START OF THE ARTICLE...
[Jester] Obama and Power are attempting to keep the illusion alive that there is a distinction between al-Nusra, ISIS and the FSA when in fact all are creations of U.S., British and Israeli intelligence. On Sunday The New York Times carried a report saying Iraqis – from people on the street to officials in the highest level of government – believe the CIA is behind ISIS.
[Jester] WE POSTED THAT ARTICLE TO... BUT HERE IT IS AGAIN IN CASE YOU MISSED IT...
http://ift.tt/1uVGiUT
[Jester] They fear the manufactured ISIS threat will be used to reintroduce troops in Iraq. Last August the leader of al-Nusra, Abu-Mohammad al-Jolani, met with two CIA officers and the Saudi deputy minister of defense Prince Salman bin Sultan in Amman, according to former Austrian general, Matthias Ghalem, who quoted Colonel Ahmed al-Naameh, head of the rebel Revolutionary Military Council in southern Syria. Al-Naameh said two deputies of Robert Stephen Ford, the former U.S. ambassador to Syria, also attended the meeting. It was decided al-Nusra and the FSA would cooperate in the proxy war to depose al-Assad and turn Syria into a failed state like Iraq and Libya.
[Jester] NOTICE ANYTHING WEIRD THERE? IRAQ AND LIBYA?
[Jester] POSTED ON THAT TOO... WHY THOSE LEADERS WERE TAKEN OUT... BOTH WERE TRYING TO INTRODUCE A GOLD STANDARD ON THEIR MONEY AND GET AWAY FROM THE DOLLAR... WHICH MANY THINK IS THE REAL REASON SADDAM WAS TAKEN OUT...
[Jester] PERSONALLY THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME SINCE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION COVER NEVER MADE SENSE OR PANNED OUT... WHICH SHOWS HOW STUPID THE US IS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY ARE DOING THINGS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON THAN THEY SAY... I MEAN... HOW HARD WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO PLANT SOME CACHE OF WEAPONS TO FIND AND GO "WALLAH - LOOK WE WERE RIGHT"....
[Jester] AND JUST FOR THE RECORD TO BE COMPLETE WITH THIS ARTICLE... Ford played a key role in orchestrating the Syrian “resistance” and was and underling to Iraq ambassador John Negroponte, who during his tenure organized death squads in Iraq in a coordinated effort to destabilize the country.
[Jester] “Since the opening of a new US base in the desert in southwest of Jordan in November 2012… CIA operatives and US special operations troops have covertly trained the militants in groups of 20 to 45 at a time in two-week courses,” al-Alam reported. In June Aaron Klein reported the U.S. military had trained ISIS terrorists in Jordan. Previously the German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Americans training “Syrian rebels,” +
[Jester] although it was not clear if the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army.
[Jester] ANYWAY... THAT IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING THAT NO ONE WILL LIKE TO HEAR... OOPS...
[Jester] HERE IS THE WHOLE ARTICLE...
http://ift.tt/YceqAn
[lulu] Kind of like that Malaysian flight over Ukraine false flag blame Russia
[Jester] lulu WELL WE COVERED THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS TOO... BUT I AM NOT GOING ALL OVER THAT AGAIN...
[lulu] Yes Jester but are people really falling for this over and over again I'm just shaking my head because ISIS has always seemed like the way around interfering with Syria
[lulu] So why ISIS back in Iraq?
[pollyp] Jester, what does the rest of the world do with this info?
[Jester] pollyp THEY REPORT IT TO GET THE WORD OUT...
[Jester] AND NOW THERE ARE OTHER REPORTS THAT THIS IS NOT ALL OF IT...
[Jester] lulu IT IS WHAT IT IS... THIS BS GOING ON WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT... SOMEONE ELSE IS PULLING O'S STRINGS... AND THE CIA IS IN IT... SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
[hunter35] Where the heck is the US Congress?
[pollyp] Recess
[Jester] THERE WERE A COUPLE ARTICLES IN THE NY TIMES THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AIR STRIKES... THERE IS MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE APPARENTLY...
[Jester] I DO NOT HAVE SUBSCRIPTION SO I CANNOT GET THE ARCHIVED ARTICLES... BUT THE GIST OF THEM WAS THIS...
[Jester] The first was about the U.S. air attack against various targets in east Syria.
[Jester] The second explains that such strikes in Iraq have had little effect.
[Jester] This demonstrates the futility of the bombing campaign, part of the ongoing wars of proxy in Syria. As a result the Islamic State will only gain further legitimacy.
[Jester] The U.S. alone additionally bombed a target related to one specific part of Jabhat al-Nusra in north west Syria. It claims that it hit the "Khorasan group". But that groups is just a Pentagon FUD invention. It is nothing but a segment of the long established leadership group of al Nusra. While ISIS had prepared for the announced U.S. air attacks and dispersed its personal and material Jabhat al-Nusra was unprepared and lost some 50 of its fighters. One of the Nusra leaders, Mohsen al-Fadli al-Kuwaiti, was killed in this attack.
[Jester] UT OH... LET'S MAKE UP SOME MORE SH... ERRR... STUFF TO SNOW THE PEEPS WITH... AND OOPS... WE ACCIDENTALLY HIT SOMEONE WE TOLD TO GET OUT OF THE WAY...
[Jester] HERE IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE WEIRD...
[Jester] The Syrian airforce wanted to bomb Jabhat al-Nusra positions in the Golan heights where Nusra is, as first reported here, opening a corridor from Jordan towards Lebanon and for attacks on Damascus right along the demarcation line between Israel and Syria. Israel, in quite open support effort for the Nusra plan, shot down the Syrian SU-24 using U.S. provided Patriot missiles. While Israel claims that the plane violated its border the reported crash site was far from the border near Kanaker, Syria which is halfway between the demarcation line and Damascus.
[Jester] SO... WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
[Jester] Under the protection of the U.S. attack on IS and other targets Israel now practically established a no-fly-zone next to the Golan which will allow Jabhat al-Nusra to safely use the corridor and to attack Hizbullah in Qalamoun and in south Lebanon. It also opens space for new attacks on Damascus.
[Jester] A LITTLE SIDE FORAY TO HELP OUT ON ANOTHER FRONT...
[Jester] AND FINALLY...
[Jester] The U.S. attack on the IS in Syria will, as the NYT headlines express, have as little effect as such attacks have in Iraq. Without coordinating air attacks with a capable, available ground force like the Syrian army such strikes on IS will make no conceivable difference. I have yet to see any report that the U.S. planes have hit some of the major weapons or ammunition depots the IS captured from the Iraqi army. There are some 50 main battle tanks and lots of heavy artillery pieces in the hands of IS. What is done to disable those?
[Jester] WHY BOTHER IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SHOOT AT SOMETHING THAT HELPS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE TRYING TO DO?
[Jester] SO THERE YA GO... ONE OTHER FACET OF INFORMATION THAT LEADS ME TO BELEIVE THERE IS MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE...
[Jester] OH... THAT INFO WAS FROM HERE... NOT ONE OF MY NORMAL SITES BUT THE ARTICLE MADE SENSE DO I RAN WITH IT...http://ift.tt/ZJgCQI
[Jester] POOTY...
http://ift.tt/ZJgCQI
[Jester] GUESS WE WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT KHORASAN SHORTLY...
[Jester] During an interview with NBC News a senior United States Defense Department official said that the Khorasan target airstrikes were a “last minute add-on” to the planned targets and were not the primary focus of the airstrikes in Syria. The U.S. military official also said that Syrian president Bashar Assad’s regime had received notification from the Obama administration about the pending airstrikes.
[Jester] National Intelligence Director James Clapper said, “In terms of threat to the homeland, Khorasan may pose as much of a danger as the Islamic State,” during an interview with the New York Times. The Khorasan is reportedly led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, who allegedly has a “very close relationship” with Osama bin Laden. The Syria-based terror group is one of the most secretive groups operating in the shadows of the civil war in Syria, according to the International Business Times.
[Jester] SO WE HAVE REPORTS THAT THEY ARE MADE UP... YET THEY ARE BUDS OF OSAMA BIN LADEN THAT HAVE REMAINED INCOGNITO THE WHOLE TIME...
[Jester] SO AS I SAID BEFORE... THE US IS PULLING ANOTHER FAST ONE... ISRAEL SHOOTS DOWN A SYRIAN JET... TO INCITE SYRIA TO FIGHT BACK?... GIVING THE US AN EXCUSE FOR THE US TO GO IN AND MESS THEM UP?
[Jester] STATE DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT THE GOAL IS TO TAKE DOWN ASSAD?
[Jester] WELL THAT IS ALL KIND OF DISJOINTED... SORRY ABOUT THAT... IT IS THE BEST I CAN DO ON THE FLY...
[Jester] I THINK THE POINTS ARE FOLLOWABLE... IF NOT RE-READ THE POST AND ARTICLES AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION...
[lulu] Jester it was awesome unsettling but awesome
[Jester] lulu WELL YOU ASKED... WE COULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT STARTERS AND ALTERNATORS I SUPPOSE... WE DID BRAKES LAST NIGHT... HAHAHAHA
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[Jester] pollyp THEY ARE NOT CLIFF NOTES... I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER... WHAT HAVE IS A BUNCH OF POSSIBILITIES THAT GENERATE MORE QUESTIONS... AND MORE POSSIBILITIES...
[Jester] THERE IS TOO MUCH TO TIE TOGETHER ALL IN ONE PLACE.. A COLLECTION OF OPINIONS AND THEORIES AND INTEL FROM WHO KNOWS HOW ACCURATE SOURCES AND PROBABLY SOME OUTRIGHT DISINFORMATION AND STUPIDITY...
[pollyp] Hummmmm, any of them lead to plan A?
[Jester] pollyp NOT REALLY... WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME IT LEADS TO IS A HUGE MESS THAT WE CANNOT SEE THE TRUTH TO... YET...
[Jester] I GET SO MUCH STUFF SENT TO ME ON ANY GIVEN DAY THAT I DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO START... HAHAHAHA
[GodsGurl] Jester you think it's a setup like 9-11 to hide the real deal?
[Jester] GodsGurl WELL OF THAT I AM SURE... IT IS A PLAN BUT NOT THE ONE THEY ARE SAYING...
[pollyp] Jester, could all the confusion be on purpose to throw the world off the GCR?
[Betsy Ross] Jester can you give us one of the possibilities and maybe we can play around with it? Like a game of sorts.
[Jester] Betsy Ross NOT SURE... MOST OF THE INFO IS FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE PEOPLE WRITING IT... THEREFORE MAY BE BIASED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE...
[hunter35] Maybe the US is trying a last ditch effort to save face . . . and everyone is watching
[Jester] hunter35 LOT MORE GOING ON THAN MEETS THE EYE... AND WHILE MOST OF THE WORLD IS WATCHING THE US PEOPLE ARE NOT... THAT IS THE PROBLEM...
[Betsy Ross] Jester I see. hmmm people writing it, as in articles?
[hunter35] Jester Maybe the US snuck in a war by slight of hand
[Jester] MAYBE LET ME START WITH WHAT SOME OUTSIDERS THINK... THIS FROM INTIFADA... A PALESTINIAN PAPER...
[Jester] Editor’s note: the UK and US governments failed to get public and parliament/congress approval for war with Syria earlier this year with the chemical attacks which later turned out to be a false flag.
[Jester] So now they re branded al Qaeda to ISIS and are using it as the excuse to go inside Syria without approval from Assad to fight the very people they fund, arm and train in the first place.
[Jester] AND THAT MAY REALLY BE THE WHOLE THING IN A NUTSHELL WITH A FEW OTHER ACTIONS THEY ARE USING THE COVER TO PERPETRATE... BUT I DIGRESS...
[Jester] I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE THIS NEXT STATEMENT IS... IF IT IS THEN IT IS A HUGE BOO BOO..
[Jester] Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power told Chuck Todd of NBC on Sunday the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government. Power said the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) will receive an “infusion of support” in its battle against both ISIS and the Syrian government which is, according to Power and the United States, “backed by Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, etc.”
[Jester] NOW PUT THOSE TWO STATEMENTS TOGETHER...
[hunter35] Wow . . . how can we not get it?
[Jester] So now they (THE UNITED STATES) re branded al Qaeda to ISIS and are using it as the excuse to go inside Syria without approval from Assad to fight the very people they (THE UNITED STATES) fund, arm and train in the first place.
[hunter35] Jester And Congress has not approved
[Jester] NOW COMES THE AMBASSADOR STATEMENT.... Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power told Chuck Todd of NBC on Sunday the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government.
[Jester] Power said the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) will receive an “infusion of support” in its battle against both ISIS and the Syrian government which is, according to Power and the United States, “backed by Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, etc.” (WHICH IS A TOTAL MISDIRECTION OF WHO IS REALLY HELPING WHO IN THIS THING)
[Jester] POWER IS A WOMAN...
[Jester] NOW ENTER SOME OTHER STUFF... Obama and Power are attempting to keep the illusion alive that there is a distinction between al-Nusra, ISIS and the FSA when in fact all are creations of U.S., British and Israeli intelligence. On Sunday The New York Times carried a report saying Iraqis – from people on the street to officials in the highest level of government – believe the CIA is behind ISIS.
[Jester] OOPS... NOW THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME... START FSA TO MESS WITH ASSAD... WELL POO... WE DIDN'T GET THE WAR WE WANTED ON THE FALSE FLAG CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACKS... SO... LETS START ISIS TO GET THINGS MESSED UP SOME MORE AND WHEN THEY GET INTO PLACE... WE START AN ACTION ON THEM TO COVER THE REAL EXCUSE... WHICH IS TO GO INTO SYRIA... AND IN AT THE SAME TIME HELP THE FSA... HMMM...
[Jester] THAT IS ABOUT AS CLOSE TO CLIFF NOTES AS I CAN MAKE OUT OF THE MESS GOING ON...
[hunter35] Jester Why does the US want Syria so bad . . . control of a port I am guessing
[Jester] BUT TO FURTHER MAKE THE CONNECTION... Omitted from the discussion is the fact ISIS, al-Nusra and the FSA have merged forces. “We are collaborating with the Islamic State and the Nusra Front by attacking the Syrian Army’s gatherings in… Qalamoun,” Bassel Idriss, the commander of an FSA-aligned rebel brigade, told the Lebanese Daily Star earlier this month. The FSA has lost troops to al-Nusra and other hardcore Islamist groups for more than a year. In June al-Nusra and ISIS joined forces at Albu Kamal in Syria and al-Qaim in Iraq. “Fighters feel proud to join al-Nusra because that means power and influence,” Abu Ahmed, the commander of an FSA brigade near Aleppo, told The Guardian in May of 2013.
[Jester] In September, 2013, one of the largest FSA brigades, the 11th Division, joined al-Nusra. “This means that the FSA has suddenly lost serious amounts of loyal fighters… it’s basically being swallowed up by Nusra,” an Al Jazeera correspondent in Antakya, Turkey, reported on September 21, 2013. Reuters, citing sources inside Syria, reported other members of the FSA have joined ISIS. The Ahl al-Athar, Ibin al-Qa’im, and Aisha factions within the FSA pledged allegiance to ISIS in July, according to Zaman Alwasl, a newspaper based in Homs. “Al Nusra Front and the state [ISIS] will fully control FSA brigades, fusing them within their extreme and Jihadi ideologies,” the newspaper reported.
[Betsy Ross] hunter35 so they can get to Iran
[Jester] Betsy Ross NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT... BUT WE'LL SEE...
[Betsy Ross] Jester Well then what do you think the reason is?
[Jester] OK... YOU LIKE ME TO STOP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS OR YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK... CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS...
[hunter35] Jester Go ahead with what you think
[Jester] OK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OUTSIDE THE US NEWS AGENCIES REPORTING ON THIS AND THIS ARTICLE ATTEMPTS TO TRY AND TIE THEM TOGETHER...
[Jester] THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO PAINT THE PICTURE OF HOW IS ALL CAME TO BE TO SUPPORT THE STATEMENTS AT THE START OF THE ARTICLE...
[Jester] Obama and Power are attempting to keep the illusion alive that there is a distinction between al-Nusra, ISIS and the FSA when in fact all are creations of U.S., British and Israeli intelligence. On Sunday The New York Times carried a report saying Iraqis – from people on the street to officials in the highest level of government – believe the CIA is behind ISIS.
[Jester] WE POSTED THAT ARTICLE TO... BUT HERE IT IS AGAIN IN CASE YOU MISSED IT...
http://ift.tt/1uVGiUT
[Jester] They fear the manufactured ISIS threat will be used to reintroduce troops in Iraq. Last August the leader of al-Nusra, Abu-Mohammad al-Jolani, met with two CIA officers and the Saudi deputy minister of defense Prince Salman bin Sultan in Amman, according to former Austrian general, Matthias Ghalem, who quoted Colonel Ahmed al-Naameh, head of the rebel Revolutionary Military Council in southern Syria. Al-Naameh said two deputies of Robert Stephen Ford, the former U.S. ambassador to Syria, also attended the meeting. It was decided al-Nusra and the FSA would cooperate in the proxy war to depose al-Assad and turn Syria into a failed state like Iraq and Libya.
[Jester] NOTICE ANYTHING WEIRD THERE? IRAQ AND LIBYA?
[Jester] POSTED ON THAT TOO... WHY THOSE LEADERS WERE TAKEN OUT... BOTH WERE TRYING TO INTRODUCE A GOLD STANDARD ON THEIR MONEY AND GET AWAY FROM THE DOLLAR... WHICH MANY THINK IS THE REAL REASON SADDAM WAS TAKEN OUT...
[Jester] PERSONALLY THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME SINCE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION COVER NEVER MADE SENSE OR PANNED OUT... WHICH SHOWS HOW STUPID THE US IS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY ARE DOING THINGS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON THAN THEY SAY... I MEAN... HOW HARD WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TO PLANT SOME CACHE OF WEAPONS TO FIND AND GO "WALLAH - LOOK WE WERE RIGHT"....
[Jester] AND JUST FOR THE RECORD TO BE COMPLETE WITH THIS ARTICLE... Ford played a key role in orchestrating the Syrian “resistance” and was and underling to Iraq ambassador John Negroponte, who during his tenure organized death squads in Iraq in a coordinated effort to destabilize the country.
[Jester] “Since the opening of a new US base in the desert in southwest of Jordan in November 2012… CIA operatives and US special operations troops have covertly trained the militants in groups of 20 to 45 at a time in two-week courses,” al-Alam reported. In June Aaron Klein reported the U.S. military had trained ISIS terrorists in Jordan. Previously the German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Americans training “Syrian rebels,” +
[Jester] although it was not clear if the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army.
[Jester] ANYWAY... THAT IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING THAT NO ONE WILL LIKE TO HEAR... OOPS...
[Jester] HERE IS THE WHOLE ARTICLE...
http://ift.tt/YceqAn
[lulu] Kind of like that Malaysian flight over Ukraine false flag blame Russia
[Jester] lulu WELL WE COVERED THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS TOO... BUT I AM NOT GOING ALL OVER THAT AGAIN...
[lulu] Yes Jester but are people really falling for this over and over again I'm just shaking my head because ISIS has always seemed like the way around interfering with Syria
[lulu] So why ISIS back in Iraq?
[pollyp] Jester, what does the rest of the world do with this info?
[Jester] pollyp THEY REPORT IT TO GET THE WORD OUT...
[Jester] AND NOW THERE ARE OTHER REPORTS THAT THIS IS NOT ALL OF IT...
[Jester] lulu IT IS WHAT IT IS... THIS BS GOING ON WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT... SOMEONE ELSE IS PULLING O'S STRINGS... AND THE CIA IS IN IT... SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
[hunter35] Where the heck is the US Congress?
[pollyp] Recess
[Jester] THERE WERE A COUPLE ARTICLES IN THE NY TIMES THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AIR STRIKES... THERE IS MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE APPARENTLY...
[Jester] I DO NOT HAVE SUBSCRIPTION SO I CANNOT GET THE ARCHIVED ARTICLES... BUT THE GIST OF THEM WAS THIS...
[Jester] The first was about the U.S. air attack against various targets in east Syria.
[Jester] The second explains that such strikes in Iraq have had little effect.
[Jester] This demonstrates the futility of the bombing campaign, part of the ongoing wars of proxy in Syria. As a result the Islamic State will only gain further legitimacy.
[Jester] The U.S. alone additionally bombed a target related to one specific part of Jabhat al-Nusra in north west Syria. It claims that it hit the "Khorasan group". But that groups is just a Pentagon FUD invention. It is nothing but a segment of the long established leadership group of al Nusra. While ISIS had prepared for the announced U.S. air attacks and dispersed its personal and material Jabhat al-Nusra was unprepared and lost some 50 of its fighters. One of the Nusra leaders, Mohsen al-Fadli al-Kuwaiti, was killed in this attack.
[Jester] UT OH... LET'S MAKE UP SOME MORE SH... ERRR... STUFF TO SNOW THE PEEPS WITH... AND OOPS... WE ACCIDENTALLY HIT SOMEONE WE TOLD TO GET OUT OF THE WAY...
[Jester] HERE IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE WEIRD...
[Jester] The Syrian airforce wanted to bomb Jabhat al-Nusra positions in the Golan heights where Nusra is, as first reported here, opening a corridor from Jordan towards Lebanon and for attacks on Damascus right along the demarcation line between Israel and Syria. Israel, in quite open support effort for the Nusra plan, shot down the Syrian SU-24 using U.S. provided Patriot missiles. While Israel claims that the plane violated its border the reported crash site was far from the border near Kanaker, Syria which is halfway between the demarcation line and Damascus.
[Jester] SO... WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?
[Jester] Under the protection of the U.S. attack on IS and other targets Israel now practically established a no-fly-zone next to the Golan which will allow Jabhat al-Nusra to safely use the corridor and to attack Hizbullah in Qalamoun and in south Lebanon. It also opens space for new attacks on Damascus.
[Jester] A LITTLE SIDE FORAY TO HELP OUT ON ANOTHER FRONT...
[Jester] AND FINALLY...
[Jester] The U.S. attack on the IS in Syria will, as the NYT headlines express, have as little effect as such attacks have in Iraq. Without coordinating air attacks with a capable, available ground force like the Syrian army such strikes on IS will make no conceivable difference. I have yet to see any report that the U.S. planes have hit some of the major weapons or ammunition depots the IS captured from the Iraqi army. There are some 50 main battle tanks and lots of heavy artillery pieces in the hands of IS. What is done to disable those?
[Jester] WHY BOTHER IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SHOOT AT SOMETHING THAT HELPS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE TRYING TO DO?
[Jester] SO THERE YA GO... ONE OTHER FACET OF INFORMATION THAT LEADS ME TO BELEIVE THERE IS MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE EYE...
[Jester] OH... THAT INFO WAS FROM HERE... NOT ONE OF MY NORMAL SITES BUT THE ARTICLE MADE SENSE DO I RAN WITH IT...http://ift.tt/ZJgCQI
[Jester] POOTY...
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[Jester] GUESS WE WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT KHORASAN SHORTLY...
[Jester] During an interview with NBC News a senior United States Defense Department official said that the Khorasan target airstrikes were a “last minute add-on” to the planned targets and were not the primary focus of the airstrikes in Syria. The U.S. military official also said that Syrian president Bashar Assad’s regime had received notification from the Obama administration about the pending airstrikes.
[Jester] National Intelligence Director James Clapper said, “In terms of threat to the homeland, Khorasan may pose as much of a danger as the Islamic State,” during an interview with the New York Times. The Khorasan is reportedly led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, who allegedly has a “very close relationship” with Osama bin Laden. The Syria-based terror group is one of the most secretive groups operating in the shadows of the civil war in Syria, according to the International Business Times.
[Jester] SO WE HAVE REPORTS THAT THEY ARE MADE UP... YET THEY ARE BUDS OF OSAMA BIN LADEN THAT HAVE REMAINED INCOGNITO THE WHOLE TIME...
[Jester] SO AS I SAID BEFORE... THE US IS PULLING ANOTHER FAST ONE... ISRAEL SHOOTS DOWN A SYRIAN JET... TO INCITE SYRIA TO FIGHT BACK?... GIVING THE US AN EXCUSE FOR THE US TO GO IN AND MESS THEM UP?
[Jester] STATE DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT THE GOAL IS TO TAKE DOWN ASSAD?
[Jester] WELL THAT IS ALL KIND OF DISJOINTED... SORRY ABOUT THAT... IT IS THE BEST I CAN DO ON THE FLY...
[Jester] I THINK THE POINTS ARE FOLLOWABLE... IF NOT RE-READ THE POST AND ARTICLES AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSION...
[lulu] Jester it was awesome unsettling but awesome
[Jester] lulu WELL YOU ASKED... WE COULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT STARTERS AND ALTERNATORS I SUPPOSE... WE DID BRAKES LAST NIGHT... HAHAHAHA
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