Reader Thoughts On “Here Are The Member Banks, Shareholders, And Owners Of The Federal Reserve System – From 1914 To 2015 (Freepom)”
Daniel-Grig: Congratulations !
The symbolism hidden in connection / combination with finance and geopolitics … and also with ignorance of the unorganized masses, where his elite power feeds.
Speedspirit: Nice job JC.
Peaknikmicki: So how do i become a shareholder?
JC Collins: That’s the issue, the majority can’t. Which is why I suggested something like a public trust funded by tax dollars which pays a dividend to every tax payer/shareholder. Each trust, whichever way you would like to organize them, can be the majority shareholder in each regional bank.
This would give the people more control over the system. Overthrowing the Fed would be extremely problematic. But changes to the system would require the government to change legislation, which is something can be possible given the right set of circumstances.
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Daniel-Grig: Congratulations !
The symbolism hidden in connection / combination with finance and geopolitics … and also with ignorance of the unorganized masses, where his elite power feeds.
Speedspirit: Nice job JC.
Peaknikmicki: So how do i become a shareholder?
JC Collins: That’s the issue, the majority can’t. Which is why I suggested something like a public trust funded by tax dollars which pays a dividend to every tax payer/shareholder. Each trust, whichever way you would like to organize them, can be the majority shareholder in each regional bank.
This would give the people more control over the system. Overthrowing the Fed would be extremely problematic. But changes to the system would require the government to change legislation, which is something can be possible given the right set of circumstances.
~~~
It’s business and the approach to change the system should be a business approach. Everybody wants to know what’s in it for them. A 6% dividend on our tax contributions would go a long way to spur domestic conception and economic growth. I welcome other creative ideas regarding this matter.
JC Collins: And here’s an interesting reply I posted early today with my friends over at The Burning Platform. T4C over there always posts the FREEPOM material and I am extremely grateful for that.
The comments thread was discussing the differences between us and those at the top, along with the Jewish connection. This was my reply, which I felt readers here could benefit from as well:
“JC will step in at this point and suggest that the Jewish connection is simply a fragment of a human connection. If all the people at the top were replaced tomorrow they would be replaced with other self-serving humans who would continue the externalization of character deficiency.
Blaming those currently at the top is easy and creates division between us and them. Division is the fore bearer of conflict. Conflict ensures an endless cycle of degradation and waste. The world and most of the people in it are so corrupt now, so lost in self-serving wants and desires, that those who gravitate towards the top are doing so for the wrong reasons.
As such, once at the top, they will continue and personify the distasteful characteristics which are being insinuated in this comments thread. The answer has to be found within the internal reflections of a new philosophical class which seeks advancement within the current system framework for the selfless purpose of making it better for the whole.
Such people would have to be able to resist the temptations of the material world and maintain the authenticity of their constitution. Do any of you know anyone who could achieve such a thing?
I certainly don’t. As such, those at the top are those at the bottom. As above – so below. The space in between is where the answer will be found.”
Dane: JC what a remarkably tangible idea. But what you suggest would require a fundamental internal change to the foundation of human thinking or lack there of. Can we do it?
So the vail is removed. This is the clearest I’ve ever seen this human characteristic portrayed.
This insane disease is surely resistant isn’t it? CRO’s are popping up everywhere…an externalization perhaps?
Speedspirit: Interest on $19 trillion at 6% is $1.1 billion, ouch. Why not follow the Bible and make interest illegal. The Fed can stay but interest is 0%. The wealthy put up the money as an act of giving back. The money is guaranteed or protected which is something they cannot get from stocks.
The economy’s would have opportunity to repair and grow which then the wealthy investors would make more money from their core companies and not bleed the economy dry from the interest.
Dane: We cannot follow the Bible for the same reason we couldn’t follow the scriptures (human systems) that came before and that will come after it. The internal human deficiencies won’t allow it.
Those very deficiencies make us see just the words and not the spirit or intent of the stories. Then we maneuver those words to suit our weaknesses and then battle our fellow man to the death to defend our position, right or wrong to the whole of humanity.
Is this the part you suggest to implement?
“Paying Taxes to Caesar (English Standard Version)
13 And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. 14 And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances,c but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?”
15 But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denariusd and let me look at it.” 16 And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar’s.” 17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.””
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But then how do we handle…
“The Widow’s Offering
41 And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny.f 43 And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. 44 For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.””
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And then finally….
“The Parable of the Tenants
1 And he began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a pit for the winepress and built a tower, and leased it to tenants and went into another country.
2 When the season came, he sent a servanta to the tenants to get from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
4 Again he sent to them another servant, and they struck him on the head and treated him shamefully. 5 And he sent another, and him they killed. And so with many others: some they beat, and some they killed.
6 He had still one other, a beloved son. Finally he sent him to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 And they took him and killed him and threw him out of the vineyard.
9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the tenants and give the vineyard to others. 10 Have you not read this Scripture:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;b
11 this was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?”
12 And they were seeking to arrest him but feared the people, for they perceived that he had told the parable against them. So they left him and went away.””
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I think Mark was trying to tell us something don’t you?
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But if you ever get the chance to read the book “God’s Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican” by Gerald Posner.
It may give you a peek into some interesting aspects of how the Vatican handled money in that time of human history.
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Speedspirit: Dane not sure I understand your question. But I will try to reply to your inquiry about the Bible.
First each man can only understand what the Bible is teaching by his level of consciousness. He is full of love and giving will have a greater understanding then he who fears and hoards his blessings.
Give to Ceasar that which is Ceasars I understand it as the same concept. That which is not of God’s gifts of true abundance compared to false wealth of a money system that is corrupt.
The parable of the poor widow the same concept. She gave out if love and what she gives is more powerful then any sum of money.
The man and his vineyard. Here a man tried to help those who did not deserve to be helped. The lesson is if you give to those not ready to receive then you will be rightfully disappointed with the results. This is the same as the problem we face today with social services like welfare, unemployment that are taken advantage of and abused by those who do not deserve it.
Taxation on income is not serving the modern world the way it should. Why should corporations like GE be tax exempt? Why should wealthy people be able to create tax shelters? Why should there be so many loopholes to the tax dystem?
If we truly want answers then we have to look at simplifying the system not making it more complicated. Taxing on a consumption basis is fair for everyone rich or poor.
Dane: There was no question there speedspirit. Just examples of man’s inner deficiencies and how they are observed and brought to story in whatever fashion the composer is capable of or willing to display for the readers.
It’s interesting to me how people of the bible always ask for the perception of Jesus. I think it’s for the same reason people drop names today. So they can do what they want without accountability. Just blame it on someone else….oh so and so said this is the way.
Or we don’t have to pay taxes to Cesar because Jesus said so. Knowing full well that Cesar won’t condemn them but instead go to Jesus for instigating it.
Or the tenants who display such a beautiful example of greed.
But the old woman is a classic. A beautiful example of people trying to buy their way into heaven while looking down on someone who is trying to earn their way into heaven.
As for following the bible on interest….well that’s the book that I referred to. Be forwarded it’s a bit aggravating.
“Taxation on income is not serving the modern world the way it should. ”
Tell me about it I just paid them almost $10k this year.
Sorry can’t agree about the destroyers and such….first they would be destroying their own utopia in doing so but more importantly….who would bring them their burger and fries….or Pautine? :)
Speedspirit: Our early forefathers like George Washington warned that the British thru banking wanted to destroy the United States. Nothing has changed there are still those of royalty bloodlines and loyalist to the crown that want to see the demise of freedom.
There are extreme leftist thinkers in the world. There are extreme hopeful thinkers in the world and somewhere in the middle we find the majority.
This middle way I find is what JC tries to explain in his writings. And I have to agree. But to think there is no evil plan to destroy freedom of the people is immature.
There are those who are pyscopathical and it is either taught to each proceeding generation or genetic. Either way they do exist and they seek positions of power to feed the ego. The banking system has historically been full of these folks since before the days of Christ.
Speedspirit: And taxes become consumption tax. No other tax. If you use something then you pay a tax to use it, more like a maintenance fee. The more things you use the more you contribute. Nice and simple.
Leo Eight: I think the documents you show to be more focused on the “members” who subscribe to the system (i.e. those who are supporting it by eg. ordering their cash requirements , loans etc from the FR. – at a rate of interest of course) – at best, somewhere in the member list, are the names of the shareholders of the FR. But can you identify them?
Marioa: “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin. Read it.
It’s a classic conspiracy to capture the , not only the American monetary system , but to control all nations creation of money .
JC Collins: And here’s an interesting reply I posted early today with my friends over at The Burning Platform. T4C over there always posts the FREEPOM material and I am extremely grateful for that.
The comments thread was discussing the differences between us and those at the top, along with the Jewish connection. This was my reply, which I felt readers here could benefit from as well:
“JC will step in at this point and suggest that the Jewish connection is simply a fragment of a human connection. If all the people at the top were replaced tomorrow they would be replaced with other self-serving humans who would continue the externalization of character deficiency.
Blaming those currently at the top is easy and creates division between us and them. Division is the fore bearer of conflict. Conflict ensures an endless cycle of degradation and waste. The world and most of the people in it are so corrupt now, so lost in self-serving wants and desires, that those who gravitate towards the top are doing so for the wrong reasons.
As such, once at the top, they will continue and personify the distasteful characteristics which are being insinuated in this comments thread. The answer has to be found within the internal reflections of a new philosophical class which seeks advancement within the current system framework for the selfless purpose of making it better for the whole.
Such people would have to be able to resist the temptations of the material world and maintain the authenticity of their constitution. Do any of you know anyone who could achieve such a thing?
I certainly don’t. As such, those at the top are those at the bottom. As above – so below. The space in between is where the answer will be found.”
Dane: JC what a remarkably tangible idea. But what you suggest would require a fundamental internal change to the foundation of human thinking or lack there of. Can we do it?
So the vail is removed. This is the clearest I’ve ever seen this human characteristic portrayed.
This insane disease is surely resistant isn’t it? CRO’s are popping up everywhere…an externalization perhaps?
Speedspirit: Interest on $19 trillion at 6% is $1.1 billion, ouch. Why not follow the Bible and make interest illegal. The Fed can stay but interest is 0%. The wealthy put up the money as an act of giving back. The money is guaranteed or protected which is something they cannot get from stocks.
The economy’s would have opportunity to repair and grow which then the wealthy investors would make more money from their core companies and not bleed the economy dry from the interest.
Dane: We cannot follow the Bible for the same reason we couldn’t follow the scriptures (human systems) that came before and that will come after it. The internal human deficiencies won’t allow it.
Those very deficiencies make us see just the words and not the spirit or intent of the stories. Then we maneuver those words to suit our weaknesses and then battle our fellow man to the death to defend our position, right or wrong to the whole of humanity.
Is this the part you suggest to implement?
“Paying Taxes to Caesar (English Standard Version)
13 And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to trap him in his talk. 14 And they came and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are true and do not care about anyone’s opinion. For you are not swayed by appearances,c but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Should we pay them, or should we not?”
15 But, knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, “Why put me to the test? Bring me a denariusd and let me look at it.” 16 And they brought one. And he said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said to him, “Caesar’s.” 17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.””
http://ift.tt/20pLldO
But then how do we handle…
“The Widow’s Offering
41 And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny.f 43 And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. 44 For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.””
http://ift.tt/20pLldO
And then finally….
“The Parable of the Tenants
1 And he began to speak to them in parables. “A man planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a pit for the winepress and built a tower, and leased it to tenants and went into another country.
2 When the season came, he sent a servanta to the tenants to get from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed.
4 Again he sent to them another servant, and they struck him on the head and treated him shamefully. 5 And he sent another, and him they killed. And so with many others: some they beat, and some they killed.
6 He had still one other, a beloved son. Finally he sent him to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 7 But those tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 And they took him and killed him and threw him out of the vineyard.
9 What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the tenants and give the vineyard to others. 10 Have you not read this Scripture:
“‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;b
11 this was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?”
12 And they were seeking to arrest him but feared the people, for they perceived that he had told the parable against them. So they left him and went away.””
http://ift.tt/20pLldO
I think Mark was trying to tell us something don’t you?
***********
But if you ever get the chance to read the book “God’s Bankers: A History of Money and Power at the Vatican” by Gerald Posner.
It may give you a peek into some interesting aspects of how the Vatican handled money in that time of human history.
http://ift.tt/1KcHQWg=
http://ift.tt/19FU7BF
Speedspirit: Dane not sure I understand your question. But I will try to reply to your inquiry about the Bible.
First each man can only understand what the Bible is teaching by his level of consciousness. He is full of love and giving will have a greater understanding then he who fears and hoards his blessings.
Give to Ceasar that which is Ceasars I understand it as the same concept. That which is not of God’s gifts of true abundance compared to false wealth of a money system that is corrupt.
The parable of the poor widow the same concept. She gave out if love and what she gives is more powerful then any sum of money.
The man and his vineyard. Here a man tried to help those who did not deserve to be helped. The lesson is if you give to those not ready to receive then you will be rightfully disappointed with the results. This is the same as the problem we face today with social services like welfare, unemployment that are taken advantage of and abused by those who do not deserve it.
Taxation on income is not serving the modern world the way it should. Why should corporations like GE be tax exempt? Why should wealthy people be able to create tax shelters? Why should there be so many loopholes to the tax dystem?
If we truly want answers then we have to look at simplifying the system not making it more complicated. Taxing on a consumption basis is fair for everyone rich or poor.
Dane: There was no question there speedspirit. Just examples of man’s inner deficiencies and how they are observed and brought to story in whatever fashion the composer is capable of or willing to display for the readers.
It’s interesting to me how people of the bible always ask for the perception of Jesus. I think it’s for the same reason people drop names today. So they can do what they want without accountability. Just blame it on someone else….oh so and so said this is the way.
Or we don’t have to pay taxes to Cesar because Jesus said so. Knowing full well that Cesar won’t condemn them but instead go to Jesus for instigating it.
Or the tenants who display such a beautiful example of greed.
But the old woman is a classic. A beautiful example of people trying to buy their way into heaven while looking down on someone who is trying to earn their way into heaven.
As for following the bible on interest….well that’s the book that I referred to. Be forwarded it’s a bit aggravating.
“Taxation on income is not serving the modern world the way it should. ”
Tell me about it I just paid them almost $10k this year.
Sorry can’t agree about the destroyers and such….first they would be destroying their own utopia in doing so but more importantly….who would bring them their burger and fries….or Pautine? :)
Speedspirit: Our early forefathers like George Washington warned that the British thru banking wanted to destroy the United States. Nothing has changed there are still those of royalty bloodlines and loyalist to the crown that want to see the demise of freedom.
There are extreme leftist thinkers in the world. There are extreme hopeful thinkers in the world and somewhere in the middle we find the majority.
This middle way I find is what JC tries to explain in his writings. And I have to agree. But to think there is no evil plan to destroy freedom of the people is immature.
There are those who are pyscopathical and it is either taught to each proceeding generation or genetic. Either way they do exist and they seek positions of power to feed the ego. The banking system has historically been full of these folks since before the days of Christ.
Speedspirit: And taxes become consumption tax. No other tax. If you use something then you pay a tax to use it, more like a maintenance fee. The more things you use the more you contribute. Nice and simple.
Leo Eight: I think the documents you show to be more focused on the “members” who subscribe to the system (i.e. those who are supporting it by eg. ordering their cash requirements , loans etc from the FR. – at a rate of interest of course) – at best, somewhere in the member list, are the names of the shareholders of the FR. But can you identify them?
Marioa: “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin. Read it.
It’s a classic conspiracy to capture the , not only the American monetary system , but to control all nations creation of money .
Janne: First time poster but long time lurker and unhealthily obsessed with the global financials.
JC, I respect few minds as yours and love your ambition to stay objective as well as your view on sameness. This post is a bit unlike you. It has the key variable undefined; the actual allocation of ownership among the listed entities. Without that isnt it too early to make conclusions to build further on?
JC Collins: We build further by attempting to research and find the additional and missing information. Unfortunately this was all I am able to present at this time.
Dane: You’ve nothing to be sorry for friend. Check this snippet out.
“Ansonia National Bank
One of the earliest predecessors to Union Trust Bank, the Bank of North America moved from Seymour to Ansonia in 1861, changing its name to the Ansonia National Bank. Banks issued their own currency before a national standard was developed. These bills were printed by the bank in 1862.” (photo seen on link) “Local hero David Humphreys is pictured in the lower right hand corner of the one, two, and five dollar bills.” LINK
Mind you this is only one perspective on the first bank on the 1914 list and it’s not repeated by the same name on the 2015 list. It doesn’t divulge who its investors are save one, David Humphreys.
What a monumental task to figure out whom. But why would I invest such time and labor to know?
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JC, I respect few minds as yours and love your ambition to stay objective as well as your view on sameness. This post is a bit unlike you. It has the key variable undefined; the actual allocation of ownership among the listed entities. Without that isnt it too early to make conclusions to build further on?
JC Collins: We build further by attempting to research and find the additional and missing information. Unfortunately this was all I am able to present at this time.
Dane: You’ve nothing to be sorry for friend. Check this snippet out.
“Ansonia National Bank
One of the earliest predecessors to Union Trust Bank, the Bank of North America moved from Seymour to Ansonia in 1861, changing its name to the Ansonia National Bank. Banks issued their own currency before a national standard was developed. These bills were printed by the bank in 1862.” (photo seen on link) “Local hero David Humphreys is pictured in the lower right hand corner of the one, two, and five dollar bills.” LINK
Mind you this is only one perspective on the first bank on the 1914 list and it’s not repeated by the same name on the 2015 list. It doesn’t divulge who its investors are save one, David Humphreys.
What a monumental task to figure out whom. But why would I invest such time and labor to know?
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